SIM HQ Review of CLOD

[r0bc]

Originally Posted by Baron

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Same goes for the statement that no other game have anti epilepsy filter (true that he said: as far as he knows)

Its the only game I own with a epilepsy filter and I have well over 200 games on Steam and a closet full of retail boxes so I can give him a pass on that.

Originally Posted by Stefem

Why publish a review few days before a "massive" update?

Its been released for at least 6 months and the patch is only going to be beta.....to be fair they said they'll do a followup after its released

[Bryan21cag]

This review almost perfectly reflected my exact experience with the game good and the not good. its almost like he was stealing my thoughts...... hmmm new world order any one????

Cheers

[Blackdog_kt]

I might disagree on a couple of points that are mostly a matter of personal preference, but otherwise it's a fair and balanced review.

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Yep the hurri is loads faster and can climb better too....

I thought this PP issue was put down to the Mk's and the 1 n 1a only have the 2 stage prop..could be wrong though

That's correct. This is not a bug per se, it's due to the aircraft configuration: Spit Mk.I and Ia is modeled the way it was in battle of France and not to BoB standard. Copying the same flyable model to a new slot with a new name and giving it the constant speed prop would upgrade it to BoB standard without losing our early variants that are useful for BoF scenarios.

Due to the props fitted then, comparing the Rotol Hurri to the Mk.I Spits is not very fair. Comparing the DH Hurricane that also has a two-speed prop to the Mk.I Spits would probably give a very different picture as to which is faster

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I might disagree on a couple of points that are mostly a matter of personal preference, but otherwise it's a fair and balanced review.




That's correct. This is not a bug per se, it's due to the aircraft configuration: Spit Mk.I and Ia is modeled the way it was in battle of France and not to BoB standard. Copying the same flyable model to a new slot with a new name and giving it the constant speed prop would upgrade it to BoB standard without losing our early variants that are useful for BoF scenarios.

Due to the props fitted then, comparing the Rotol Hurri to the Mk.I Spits is not very fair. Comparing the DH Hurricane that also has a two-speed prop to the Mk.I Spits would probably give a very different picture as to which is faster

Im not getting my head around this, In the Mk1 and Mk1a spit (currently in CLOD) the prop pitch setting is either '0' or '100', whereas in the hurricane rotol you can fine tune the prop pitch, is it the case that the spitty isn't bugged and is historically correct? In truth I normally fly blue but sometimes numbers dictate that I should fly red, so i am certainly no expert on the Spit, but it does seem very underpowered to me, i could be doing something wrong but there is very little to mess about with other than the radiator as the PP does nothing!! I can keep up with a 109 in a Hurri, but not a hope in hell in the spit. Any advice will be welcomed.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i personaly dont give a cent on any of the actual FMs in case of beeing "historical".
I see them as placeholders. If they will stay, i just have to get used to them - some kind of WorldOfTanks where historical performance comparisons also do not count.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Im not getting my head around this, In the Mk1 and Mk1a spit (currently in CLOD) the prop pitch setting is either '0' or '100', whereas in the hurricane rotol you can fine tune the prop pitch, is it the case that the spitty isn't bugged and is historically correct? In truth I normally fly blue but sometimes numbers dictate that I should fly red, so i am certainly no expert on the Spit, but it does seem very underpowered to me, i could be doing something wrong but there is very little to mess about with other than the radiator as the PP does nothing!! I can keep up with a 109 in a Hurri, but not a hope in hell in the spit. Any advice will be welcomed.

Mate they're are lots and lots of posts regarding that matter, the Spit1/1a PP is either in correct or the boost/power output is wrong because as you say the hurri faster then the spit which in RL wasnt the case.

The 109 has had it's top speed cut too given what info some member have produced.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Im not getting my head around this, In the Mk1 and Mk1a spit (currently in CLOD) the prop pitch setting is either '0' or '100', whereas in the hurricane rotol you can fine tune the prop pitch, is it the case that the spitty isn't bugged and is historically correct? In truth I normally fly blue but sometimes numbers dictate that I should fly red, so i am certainly no expert on the Spit, but it does seem very underpowered to me, i could be doing something wrong but there is very little to mess about with other than the radiator as the PP does nothing!! I can keep up with a 109 in a Hurri, but not a hope in hell in the spit. Any advice will be welcomed.

The short version is that it's not a bug, we just have early model Spits in the sim. The early Spits had a propeller with only two positions and no ability to precisely fine tune the blade angle. In essence, it's like flying with a fixed pitch prop but you get two available pitch settings instead of one.

What this means is that you can't precisely fine tune it like you can do in the 109 (where you directly influence pitch over its entire range of motion) or the Rotol Hurri (where you influence the governor and it keeps the RPM where you want within its limits of motion): you get only two available angles to set the prop to and any single given pitch angle is very limited in terms of how much of your available speed range it is efficient at.

If i was to describe it in a single sentence, i'd say we have correct modeling of the wrong variants.

These Spits flew like that during the battle of France (and Hurricanes too) so i'm not in favor of them getting changed altogether to constant speed prop models, since we have a map that can do BoF as well. What needs to be done is just alter the Ia to a constant speed prop model since it already has the CSP spinner modeled in terms of graphics. Then we could use the Spit Mk.I and the Hurri with the DH prop with their two-pitch props for BoF, while still having the Mk.Ia and Mk.II Spits along with the Rotol prop Hurricane for BoB scenarios.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

The short version is that it's not a bug, we just have early model Spits in the sim. The early Spits had a propeller with only two positions and no ability to precisely fine tune the blade angle. In essence, it's like flying with a fixed pitch prop but you get two available pitch settings instead of one.

What this means is that you can't precisely fine tune it like you can do in the 109 (where you directly influence pitch over its entire range of motion) or the Rotol Hurri (where you influence the governor and it keeps the RPM where you want within its limits of motion): you get only two available angles to set the prop to and any single given pitch angle is very limited in terms of how much of your available speed range it is efficient at.

If i was to describe it in a single sentence, i'd say we have correct modeling of the wrong variants.

These Spits flew like that during the battle of France (and Hurricanes too) so i'm not in favor of them getting changed altogether to constant speed prop models, since we have a map that can do BoF as well. What needs to be done is just alter the Ia to a constant speed prop model since it already has the CSP spinner modeled in terms of graphics. Then we could use the Spit Mk.I and the Hurri with the DH prop with their two-pitch props for BoF, while still having the Mk.Ia and Mk.II Spits along with the Rotol prop Hurricane for BoB scenarios.

Right, thanks for that Blackdog, I think Im still doing something wrong in the spitty Im struggling to get over 250mph, where as the first Spits would do 350-364 mph! according to various websites. Is anybody here getting these speeds in level flight? Im sure some guys have figured it out because I got chased home in my 109 the other night, after rolling and shallow diving away I was at about 500kmph I kept looking over my shoulder and although the spitty wasn't gaining on me I certainly wasn't leaving him in the distance. Could it be that the spit is modled right and just needs the top speed tweaking?

[NedLynch]

Just had a quick look on Wikipedia, I know, I know, it's not the all knowing source of info some people think it is, but the speed was confirmed, just looked at the Mk I model, however it said that speed was at 18.500 feet altitude.
Has to be coarse prop pitch, obviously, and I am sure with WEP enabled as well.
And no, I am certainly not getting that speed in level flight at 6000 feet, in a shallow dive/ trim slightly nose down flying straight just loosing altitude slightly pretty good speeds can be achieved, however impractical in combat, since your turn rate and roll rate are horrible at speeds too high or too low for that matter.

[TheSwede]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Woot I thought MG 151/15 is 15mm and MG 151/20 was 20mm.

You are correct. It is basically the same gun but with a different bore.

The MG151/15 was used in the earlier version of the 109F, the 151/20 was installed from F-4 and forwards.

The 109 E4 never had the MG151, as we have discussed in all kinds of threads, the difference between E3 and the E4 was the MG FF/M ammunition.