Historical HakenKreuz

I believe that the swastica is not ingame as it is forbidden in some countries.

Some people argue that forbidding this is against freedom of speech. While it may be so one should not forget that it was freedom of speech that allowed Hitler to raise to power in the first place. The democracy of Weimar allowed him spilling his hatred, working openly to the very destruction of this democracy and finally achieving it. After the war many countries and particularly Germany decided to build a democracy that is capable to fight those who want the destruction of democracy as a lesson drawn from the years 33 to 45. One measure was to forbid the symbol behind which the Nazis gathered in an effort to make this symbol no longer a working tool for the Nazis as the Nazis knew about the force of symbols very well. This symbol stands for death on an unpreceded scale.

[ElAurens]

It is illegal in Germany, and now the Russian Federation, to show the swastika outside of historical uses, I.E. in a history book, or historic film footage, etc...

Video games come under the heading of toys in both countrys and that is why they are not included in this sim.

Arguing here won't fix it.

Take it up with the German and Russian governments.

[FG28_Kodiak]

The Allies forbidden the use of the swastika in germany after the war. Later it was adopted by german law.

[BOBC]

Toy is the problem, being categorised as a toy sees this rule apply, one must not see swastikas on toys, quite right, if they are nothing to do with recreating a historical item, but the classification of a flight simulation that is designed to be an accurate (in theory) recreation on screen of the Battle of Britain, a recreation of an historical event, as a toy is wrong. The developers could have had an accurate looking sim Luftwaffe wise if they had pulled this out of the toy category. I dont see children being able to afford latest spec PC's with 1Gb video cards so as to play with a toy. If re-classification is possible as something other than toy then do it. Perhaps all flight sims are auto labelled as toys, an airliner flight sim is a toy. Is anything that a child can get to play with, a toy ? or get to read ? If they pick up daddies WW2 book and see a Luftwaffe aircraft in it, then the book worlds must re-categorise their books as childrens books. The rule is simply nuts. The vast majority of flight simmers are not children. The vast majority of book readers of WW2 are not children, let the same rules apply.

BOBC

[Sternjaeger II]

..it's the law guys, get over it

I do model kits in my spare times and Revell of Germany doesn't put swastikas in their kits.. it's silly, it's not by forbidding a symbol that you stop an ideology, neo-nazis are out there regardless of your swastikas on your plane..

[HamishUK]

Originally Posted by BOBC

Toy is the problem, being categorised as a toy sees this rule apply, one must not see swastikas on toys, quite right, if they are nothing to do with recreating a historical item, but the classification of a flight simulation that is designed to be an accurate (in theory) recreation on screen of the Battle of Britain, a recreation of an historical event, as a toy is wrong. The developers could have had an accurate looking sim Luftwaffe wise if they had pulled this out of the toy category. I dont see children being able to afford latest spec PC's with 1Gb video cards so as to play with a toy. If re-classification is possible as something other than toy then do it. Perhaps all flight sims are auto labelled as toys, an airliner flight sim is a toy. Is anything that a child can get to play with, a toy ? or get to read ? If they pick up daddies WW2 book and see a Luftwaffe aircraft in it, then the book worlds must re-categorise their books as childrens books. The rule is simply nuts. The vast majority of flight simmers are not children. The vast majority of book readers of WW2 are not children, let the same rules apply.

BOBC

What's the point in even discussing it?

[Jaws2002]

You can put swastika on the skins and be done with it, without having to use a hack to do it.
It takes 5 minutes to add swastika on a skin.

You won't be able to use them on the default skins, but with time, once the SDK is released, we will be able to use something like the Mat Manager to do it legally, without having to rely on hacks and worry about a ban.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by BOBC

Toy is the problem, being categorised as a toy sees this rule apply, one must not see swastikas on toys, quite right, if they are nothing to do with recreating a historical item, but the classification of a flight simulation that is designed to be an accurate (in theory) recreation on screen of the Battle of Britain, a recreation of an historical event, as a toy is wrong....

Dude, look at this for a second:



Do you know what that Pegi16 means. It means this GAME is perfectly legal for children sixteen and up.
As much as you try to think this is something else, it still is nothing but a GAME.
Get used to it. I have the two awesome FW-190 addons for FSX and those too came without a swastika. Games are considered toys by the law and this one is no different.

[Sternjaeger II]

guys, the swastika is forbidden PERIOD, doesn't matter if it's a game, a uniform or your grandma's hand knitted scarf..

[Wutz]

Ah the old topic again! How about the markings for Tomania?