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Old 10-12-2010, 03:11 PM
ebrain ebrain is offline
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Operating Systems are just tools to do a job. You use the right tool for each job. Simple, no sense blocking off a particular avenue just because of some irrational view about other O/S.
Let's get the facts in my case :
Buy a second hard disk (yes, my current one is full now), buy a Windows license, install it, install and configure all the software needed to get it to run correctly (anti-shit softwares, updates that requires to reboot everytime, defragmentation, and so on).

Do you really think that is worth the cost in time and money for one game ?

Like anyone here I've known Windows too, and this is something I don't want to be pulled through anymore. Unlike you, I don't judge the other OS users. If you find Windows fine, like I did too for many years, I'm okay with that and it's only a matter of taste.

And you dare try to teach me awareness...

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You are not really inspired, I think you need to refill your trolling tank, don't you ? : http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/

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Old 10-12-2010, 06:24 PM
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DCS A-10C Warthog was going to be released with directX 9, 10 and 11 support. Until they said that it will only support DX 9.

Call me a pessimist but I have a feeling that SoW will follow the same road...
You're a pessimist...

..that game is an open beta isn't it?

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Old 10-12-2010, 06:29 PM
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DCS A-10C Warthog was going to be released with directX 9, 10 and 11 support. Until they said that it will only support DX 9.

Call me a pessimist but I have a feeling that SoW will follow the same road...
Did they say why they didn't got with the DX10 or DX11 rendering options? I know they have been working with DX9 for a long time so I can see familiarity is a huge thing (and let's be honest... A-10C DCS looks incredible anyways) but I'm wondering what happened.

I imagine it depends on what Oleg's development roadmap looks like versus what DCS had planned. Storm of War is totally new while DCS has had a few releases out with this engine and they may not want to break stuff. Just speculating.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:42 PM
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Let's get the facts in my case :
Buy a second hard disk (yes, my current one is full now), buy a Windows license, install it, install and configure all the software needed to get it to run correctly (anti-shit softwares, updates that requires to reboot everytime, defragmentation, and so on).

Do you really think that is worth the cost in time and money for one game ?

Like anyone here I've known Windows too, and this is something I don't want to be pulled through anymore. Unlike you, I don't judge the other OS users. If you find Windows fine, like I did too for many years, I'm okay with that and it's only a matter of taste.

And you dare try to teach me awareness...

/edit for Feuerfalke :
You are not really inspired, I think you need to refill your trolling tank, don't you ? : http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/

I think you misunderstand my point, I actually run linux on 2 of my main machines out of choice, regularly use OSX but my main rig is Windows7. The point I was trying to make is that you should use whichever OS you prefer for a particular task. Obviously when a particular piece of software will only run on a windows platform then you'll be forced down that route.

Saying you will avoid a hotly anticipated game just because you have a seemingly irrational dislike of the OS it has to run on seems a little closed minded to me.

And yes you'll need to buy a license and perhaps a new hdd to store it on, but many people will be building whole new machines just to play SOW on.

If you really have something against windows, I wouldn't be arrogant enough to presume to try and persuade you to change but windows has changed a lot over the years and if you're not familiar with Windows7 it really is a big improvement over the past. I really treat it as a gaming OS as I prefer to run Linux as my desktop.

If you are remotely into gaming you need Windows7, that's pretty much fact.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:46 PM
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Did they say why they didn't got with the DX10 or DX11 rendering options?
I think it was as simple as the DX11 version not making it in time for the planned release. As they want to keep updating the base engine anyway with each module (if possible - although not guaranteed - even for previous releases), they decided to skip it for now.

DX10 was never on the table for DCS A10 from what I've read.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:55 PM
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You are not really inspired, I think you need to refill your trolling tank, don't you ? : http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/
^^THIS is exactly what I meant with keeping an open mind. I have Linux on a secondary Boot-HDD

And I'm also not trying to convince other to do keep it or abandon it. If you don't want Windows that's fine with me. But please spare us with your crusader-rebel-story against the evil-M$-empire. That wasn't even funny when it had a realistic background some 15 years ago.

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Do you really think that is worth the cost in time and money for one game ?
Yes. XP costs 30 Euros, takes 300MB and cost you 15 minutes for installation.

Trying to install WHINE and find workarounds for DirectX will cost you at least double the time at least for configuration. And you still don't have a programmable joystick, then.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:58 PM
Feuerfalke Feuerfalke is offline
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Did they say why they didn't got with the DX10 or DX11 rendering options? I know they have been working with DX9 for a long time so I can see familiarity is a huge thing (and let's be honest... A-10C DCS looks incredible anyways) but I'm wondering what happened.
They wanted to release DCS:A-10C this year and it was impossible to get it all done. And DX11 was a low priority option, so they dropped in favor of other features.

SoW is a different matter, as they built a new engine based on modern technology. No need to rewrite an engine, that was built for DX10&11.
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:08 PM
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ebrain, I run Win and *nix boxes, including Mac.
1. You do NOT need to defragment a Windows machine anymore since Vista. And even before that it was only of minor use if you used smarts to set up your drive correctly (partition it, *nix doesn't do it much differently).
2. You do NOT need to install anti-shit softwares unless you do sh*t. And in fact most vulnerabilities come from 3rd party software (Acrobat anyone? ;P)
3. Updates are frequent on *nix too
and before 2009 you had to do frequent reboots as well. Innovations like Ksplice are neat, yes. But Windows too has a ton of stuff that just blows away any *nix out there. You made your choice, which is fine, but if you don't want to be trolled why be a troll yourself? Comparing OS's is up to personal preference. If you don't need the Windows features that's fine - but most people out there don't need *nix features either.
Let me tell you something: I ran win boxes straight for 1 year+ without rebooting. I knew they were locked down so I didn't care for updates either. I had no problems. But of course you can be unlucky - the same can happen on *nix too though. Tons of *nix's are hackable, faster than many Windows machines actually. Same with mac.


Actually DX11 was supposed to be released for Mac and *nix but legal issues came in between. It was announced back in 2008 if I remember correctly but I doubt you'll see much of it in the near future.

So yeah, if you want to get into gaming you have 2 choices. Either install windows for less the cost of a damn TrackIR which is really overpriced for what it does (at least here in Germany) or you could wait until OpenCL really kicks in as I'm sure it'll be a great alternative and many companies will use it.

In fact we don't even know for sure if openGL / openCL won't be implemented (or do we?)
I was waiting for this game for a looong time and I'm sure they will have thought about it as a future platform if they're investing that much energy into it.


One closing remark: "Like anyone here I've known Windows too, and this is something I don't want to be pulled through anymore."
Have you ever worked on an SGI workstation? They cost about as much as a good sized car back in the days and let me tell you, they have been great and shitty at the same time. Compared to a modern Windows 7 they were horror - and MUCH much pricier than some cheapo *nix like a free Ubuntu or something. So keep in mind that products CHANGE and that you can't compare something from the stoneage to a new release. Linux get's getter all the time (well, mostly), same goes for Windows as well. Especially Windows 7 is a solid OS with great producitivity. And if you recommend others to re-fuel their trolling somewhere I might remind you that you sound more than equally biased yourself.
Really smart is if you use the best tool available when necessary. Without hatred or fanboyism. I have no problems using a Mac for leisure or some work (video editing e.g.) or Windows for Office, Adobe, general Workstation purpose in a I/O rich environment and *nix servers (let's not forget freeBSD).


@Feuerfalke I would not recommend XP anymore since it is EOL aside from the SP3 Version (which will EOL soon anyways).
So even if a Windows 7 OEM edition will cost you twice as much it is recommended to buy it since you will be able to use it 12 times as long or more.

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Old 10-12-2010, 08:24 PM
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@Feuerfalke I would not recommend XP anymore since it is EOL aside from the SP3 Version (which will EOL soon anyways).
So even if a Windows 7 OEM edition will cost you twice as much it is recommended to buy it since you will be able to use it 12 times as long or more.
I'd always recommend Vista/7 unless you are insisting that OS' come for free - then you go for the lowest price.
And if you really just want to play a single game and do nothing else, XP will do fine.
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Old 10-12-2010, 09:26 PM
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All of this is perfectly ridiculous. My first message here was really to know what's under the hood of SOW, just to know if if was worth waiting for. I had my answer. I never asked you anything else, did I ?

You are all making thoughts for me, for things that I don't think and don't say.
You do assertions from the point where your needs have to be anyone's.
You don't care what I say, and you are childish.

So please stay in your perfect little world, and forget me, because I will forget you for sure !
This is closure for me. Out.

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