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[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by winny

Unrealistic? Really? It was actually the part of the video that I was most impressed with. It seems like a better solution than having a 'fixed' POV that's (to use your analogy) like having a camera on a tripod. Obviously the game needs a 'camera' otherwise you wouldn't be able to see and having one stuck to the pilots face seems like the best place for it. As for the real BoB pilots not having cameras stuck to thier faces; They didn't need to because they had eyes. Is flyby view therefore not needed as it's unrealistic? And god knows how all those BoB pilots had room in the cockpit to use thier mouse.. Is there a mouse mat in that spit cockpit?

This forum never ceases to amaze me with what people will complain about.

lol, I'm not complaining winny, I was just saying the guy had a point. The head movement under Gs is fine its the shaking he didn't like.

Also I think you'd be supprised how far some people go to get realism in their flight sims, going as far as to build themselves a cockpit. I'm not one of these people but I believe the sim should cater for everyone. Some people seem to like the effect of flying by camera as if by remote control with all the shaking, other people want to believe they are actually there strapped into the cockpit using their eyes and their moniter/s are just panes of glass infront of them. For this you would want a lot less of the vibration effect. A better way to simulate VERY heavy vibration would be to make it more like a very fast but stable humming movement and a loss of focus, than a big shaking. As someone else once mentioned if the loose objects in the cockpit like the strap above the gunsight moved that would give another visual sign of vibration and G force.

Again, I'm not complaining. I know this is all WIP stuff, as I'm sure do most people here.

[katdogfizzow]

Originally Posted by hellbomber

yeah the thing is when the plane shakes so do you therefore the effect of the jolting is minimized, in the video the camera is on an imaginary rail and the plane bounces around it, also the video was much smoother and seemed very good, also it didnt sound like their was a ton of bricks in the cockpit getting shakin by a paint mixer, but alas i have faith oleg will fix this issue being it was WIP when released

[jameson]

If the plane was shaking it's down to Ilya. He was driving IIRC. If you have a force feedback stick you can feel the shaking in IL2 when you pull hard and get near the stall, but visually the effect is not as pronounced.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

lol, I'm not complaining winny, I was just saying the guy had a point. The head movement under Gs is fine its the shaking he didn't like.

Also I think you'd be supprised how far some people go to get realism in their flight sims, going as far as to build themselves a cockpit. I'm not one of these people but I believe the sim should cater for everyone. Some people seem to like the effect of flying by camera as if by remote control with all the shaking, other people want to believe they are actually there strapped into the cockpit using their eyes and their moniter/s are just panes of glass infront of them. For this you would want a lot less of the vibration effect. A better way to simulate VERY heavy vibration would be to make it more like a very fast but stable humming movement and a loss of focus, than a big shaking. As someone else once mentioned if the loose objects in the cockpit like the strap above the gunsight moved that would give another visual sign of vibration and G force.

Again, I'm not complaining. I know this is all WIP stuff, as I'm sure do most people here.

Fair point. So let's have an option for it then? I don't like the whole I don't want this, I don't want that argument.. these people should be asking for an option to turn it off. Then when this game finally appears you can sit in a lobbyfull of people who agree 100% with you about how the game should be played.


If Da Vinci had had a load of people standing over his shoulder whilst he was painting the mona lisa, all moaning and saying change this and change that then that painting would have been sh*t.
I've seen how personally Oleg takes SoW and when you're working on your masterpiece there's only you who knows where the final brush stroke is, when is your masterpiece finished.. Cut the guy some slack and trust him to produce the best sim that he can.

Sorry got carried away.

[julian265]

If you've flown through turbulence in a small plane, or left the bitumen and driven on slightly rough road... you wouldn't be complaining about the higher-frequency shake in that clip, IMO. My eyes/brain do not correct for the shake in these circumstances - far off objects are fine, but not near objects like the cockpit.

I won't be murdering anyone, but I'd be pretty disappointed if SoW BoB had as smooth a pilot's perspective as IL-2 does. The stillness of air (or lack of it) makes a huge difference to air combat with guns, and immersion.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by hellbomber

if my plane shakes like that while im flying someone is going to get murderd, thats BS

I needed a good laugh!!! LMAO

[hellbomber]

If you've flown through turbulence in a small plane, or left the bitumen and driven on slightly rough road... you wouldn't be complaining about the higher-frequency shake in that clip, IMO. My eyes/brain do not correct for the shake in these circumstances - far off objects are fine, but not near objects like the cockpit.

ohh yeah were really believing your a certified RL spitfire pilot, freaking il2 pilot fanbois start to think their real aces, probably be telling their grand kids stories about their ww2 heroics, and their K/D ratios

you guys are a bunch of little wussie fanbois, all claiming to have flown through rough turbulence.. well i got news for you fanboigots, when the last time you through threw that turbulence with clear skies and big white puffy cumulus clouds, yeah i didnt think so, now pack your BS up and exit right off the fourm as you were just humiliated so bad you shall never show your face again

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by julian265

If you've flown through turbulence in a small plane, or left the bitumen and driven on slightly rough road... you wouldn't be complaining about the higher-frequency shake in that clip, IMO. My eyes/brain do not correct for the shake in these circumstances - far off objects are fine, but not near objects like the cockpit.

I won't be murdering anyone, but I'd be pretty disappointed if SoW BoB had as smooth a pilot's perspective as IL-2 does. The stillness of air (or lack of it) makes a huge difference to air combat with guns, and immersion.

Yes, but thats not the point. When you are flying or driving offroad your brain knows that you are being bumped around inside the vehicle and the dash in front of you is relatively stable. What the effect in the video gives is the impression of the plane being bumped around you while you sit in comfy chair unaffected thus giving a disconnected feel.

It is something that just cannot be simulated properly with just visuals. Some people like the attempt, other people find it just wrong. So a choice between the two would be good.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by hellbomber

when the last time you through threw that turbulence with clear skies and big white puffy cumulus clouds,

Well I was always taught to try and stay above those "big white puffy cumulus clouds" because pretty as they may look, their was usually turbulence below them.

Regardless, in that leaked video clip it is not meant to be turbulence. The cockpit view is shaking at roughly the same points I get stick shake in IL2 on my FFB, the edge of stall and high speed dives.

personally to me it does not look that that different to the effect I get on my bike at speeds over about 220kmh. The mirrors become useless and the whole fairing shakes and vibrates.

[julian265]

Originally Posted by hellbomber

ohh yeah were really believing your a certified RL spitfire pilot, freaking il2 pilot fanbois start to think their real aces, probably be telling their grand kids stories about their ww2 heroics, and their K/D ratios

you guys are a bunch of little wussie fanbois, all claiming to have flown through rough turbulence.. well i got news for you fanboigots, when the last time you through threw that turbulence with clear skies and big white puffy cumulus clouds, yeah i didnt think so, now pack your BS up and exit right off the fourm as you were just humiliated so bad you shall never show your face again

You have some problems, troll.