Vulching on the ATAG server.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Honestly guys...it's a disgrace. I flew today, there are 2+ German fighters almost at all times Circling the RAF bases looking for easy kills. Personally, to me it's cheap antics...and I hope More ATAG mods get on to kick these clowns.

Don't get me started with the whole "it's part of the game" stuff. You know it's cheap and that's why it's done. There is no reason why 2/3 times I took off or landed on an airfield I had an Me-109 immediately on my tail.

We head to the RAF bases because more often than not it's the only way to find RAF fighters. Nobody protects the red bombers, and nobody bothers to climb above 10000 feet. They just fly in circles on the deck over top of their airbases, or sometimes they fly low over the Channel and then fly in circles on the deck over top of the Luftwaffe airbases.

I promise that if RAF people start getting altitude, and maintaining a presence at 19000 feet where the 109s don't perform so well, there will be fewer Blue pilots strafing English bases out of fear of high-flying spitfires. Couple nights ago the 71st guys were doing just that: Staying up at 18000 ft or thereabouts, and using team tactics to gang-bang the Luftwaffe guys trickling over in 1s and 2s.

But for whatever reason, so many newbies think that they shouldn't have to try to secure an altitude advantage, or shouldn't have to fly their aircraft to it's strengths. They just want to "dogfight" at treetop height all day.

If you want your base to be home free, there's already an easy-mode server out there that the warbirds of prey guys run. Go check it out maybe.

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by ATAG_knuckles

Oh I know a 109 against a Blenheim now that crap has just gotta stop !!!!

No offense intended to anyone here but that reply really made me laugh Knucks!

[ATAG_knuckles]

Originally Posted by BGs_Ricky

Some strafing attacks happened on RAF airfields, but I don't think it was a common occurance during the battle. The Luftwaffe didn't send fighters to RAF airbases with the scope of catching planes taking off or landing.

There are several cases of RAF fighters being scrambled late and taking off while being bombed from higher altitude.

I "think" (which means I'm dont know for sure) but the 109 had a very limited fuel range, which would have precluded them from specifically strafing.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Originally Posted by ATAG_knuckles

I "think" (which means I'm dont know for sure) but the 109 had a very limited fuel range, which would have precluded them from specifically strafing.

I'm no historian either but from what I have read the Luftwaffe could focus there attacks on many airfields in the southern and eastern coast airfields and when they did it almost broke the RAF.

These tactics were put to great effect on Aug 24th 1940 in what Churchhill later called "the desperate days"

London was another story though with only 10 minutes of loiter time.


Here is an article from airforce magazine:

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/Mag...808battle.aspx

Some BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/...stal_airfields

[ATAG_knuckles]

Borris: as long as we are on the subject: (which is a much better subject than the original) I dont remember see many "if any" gun camera footage of German strafing airfields, plenty of American though

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by theOden

Now I'm getting confused.
Two others said Luftwaffe didnt have 109's orbiting RAF airbases picking easy victories during the war but you say otherwise.

Could it be that you mix historically correctness with something else?

I think the term of 'historic' being tossed about in this debate is really more accurately described as realistic.

It's realistic in that the pilot is responsible for his own actions. It is not historic in that those actions may or may not be an accurate representation of recorded actions taken during the period being simulated.

I'm a big fan of not imposing rules such as 'no vulching'. Players should be responsible for their own actions just as the real pilots were.

You can choose who to play with and how.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Nobody protects the red bombers

To be fair, there probably aren't too many people buying a Battle of Britain simulator who are excited to finally have an opportunity to run escort missions for British bombers.

[theOden]

Thank you bw_wolverine, that's pretty much what I was getting at

I also prefer "no rules" and all points you made out but thing is this is a game and not one single 109 pilot needs to fly "historically".

This creates, in worst case, situations where rules have to be applied to gain a more "realistic/historical" experience how backward it may sound.

Now, for the record I honestly hope ATAG will remain as is with the "no rules" setup. Just felt like nagging the words used and wasn't very impressed with knuckles post, typical internet tough-guy stuff, which I'm sure he is not as most ATAG's I've seen are rather cool guys

[ATAG_knuckles]

Originally Posted by theOden

Thank you bw_wolverine, that's pretty much what I was getting at

I also prefer "no rules" and all points you made out but thing is this is a game and not one single 109 pilot needs to fly "historically".

This creates, in worst case, situations where rules have to be applied to gain a more "realistic/historical" experience how backward it may sound.

Now, for the record I honestly hope ATAG will remain as is with the "no rules" setup. Just felt like nagging the words used and wasn't very impressed with knuckles post, typical internet tough-guy stuff, which I'm sure he is not as most ATAG's I've seen are rather cool guys

O.K. Oden: ya got me there: My humble apology here. Actually as I wrote some of those post I had that nagging voice saying, "somebody's gonna hand you your Butt" So I consider my butt handed. For good reasons I usually steer clear when someones OPINION dosen't match mine. Clearly the case here. And as you say ATAG has a responsibility NOT to jump on opinions So as I said I bow (especially before another ATAG member toilet papers my house.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Originally Posted by ATAG_knuckles

Borris: as long as we are on the subject: (which is a much better subject than the original) I dont remember see many "if any" gun camera footage of German strafing airfields, plenty of American though

Not to much on youtube thats for sure.

Im bet they burned everything they could before there capitulation though.

The german attacks against coastal airbases were stopped by Hitler before they could realise there effect.