a possible solution for overheating & low speed spitfire/hurricane in last Beta patch

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

I would've explained this earlier, but I'm a one fingered typist, and posting stuff of this length more than once gets on my wick a bit. Please read the thread I linked in more detail.

thanks for explaining it, i had seen the other thread with people discussing radiator settings and knew some non-logical settings might partially reduce some of the FM issues

the reason for me post this thread was to flag what the disastersoft guy seems to be specifically suggesting in reply to a customer question about overheating, ie to open the radiator before engine start, and then never close or change its setting again. he seems to think that gives a major change for the better, i have no idea if it does (and cant try it for a few days), hence me posting it.

note: i removed the initial closed typo picked up by Dutch's post below , 'cause leaving it in seemed to confuse more people later

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by zapatista

suggesting in reply to a customer question about overheating, ie to close the radiator before engine start, and then never open it.

But that's the opposite of what he said Zap. He said;

'Open Cowling FULL before start engine and Do not close it!'

This would currently be equivalent to flying along with a twenty foot parachute tied to your a*se (exaggeration, just in case any purists object).

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

But that's the opposite of what he said Zap. He said;

'Open Cowling FULL before start engine and Do not close it!'

This would currently be equivalent to flying along with a twenty foot parachute tied to your a*se (exaggeration, just in case any purists object).

lol, errr, of course you'r right on that last one typo in that last post after a long work day (*edit made in original post)

what peaked my interest on his comment is that he set it to open before engine start, and then never touched it again, as if altering its setting after engine start might lock it closed with the engine more prone to overheating from then on (yet still be subject to drag with cowling open). whereas i, and prob most people, close it at start, then keep changing it ones the engines warms up and then mostly keep it open unless at very high altitude

at what started as a simple suggestion (from him) and my wanting to know if others had tried it, it all become a bit long winded and out of proportion, i'll try it on the WE. if from then on you see a high speed spitfire able to match the hun online, that be me and no begging for trade secrets will get me to reveal its method

ps: i do note what you said about the parachute effect reversing whatever speed gain might be created

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But you cant do what you said in reverse. If you leave rad shut the engine blows up. Got me all exited then when i saw title of thread.

[Slipstream2012]

Originally Posted by planespotter

Interesting. The head developer at Desastersoft knows less about RAF flight models and aircraft and how to fly them, than you guys.

Hmmmmmm.

Are you for real?

This guy builds missions, and just because he is apparently good at it, doesn't mean he is any kind of expert in flight-models, far from it, most of the time he'll be in the FMB or scripting.
Even so, its easy to dictate when your shooting up AI on predefined settings which you created, however fighting in RAF planes online in a full realism server is a whole different ball game and it takes skill to do it.

He needs to get back to mission building and stop the childish one-sided propaganda, which is getting quite tiring, its obvious the FM's are badly screwed up.
And if he's so sure they are not, I invite him online to take any RAF plane & I'll take the G.50.

[louisv]

Does anybody fly the A2A Spit on FSX ?, it would be interesting to compare.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by louisv

Does anybody fly the A2A Spit on FSX ?, it would be interesting to compare.

I do, frequently. The cockpits are similar, but they fly like two different aircraft, especially with the current 1.08 beta.

The A2A Spitfire MK 2a and the CoD Spitfire MK 2a ver 1.05 (current Steam retail version) are the closest in terms of performance.

B6 closed down an earlier thread re A2A Spitfire, and may well do the same for this one -- this is the Official 1C Forum after all.

[Nephris]

Call be an a$$, but ....it reminds be a kind of the spirits that u v cited....
Somehow it is more than funny, as in those threads are always the same suspects crying out loud.

Before summer the red FMs werent that bad, nevertheless in good old IL2- manner our sissywhiners started their buisness again crying for this ,moaing for that, and actually the complete FMs were bad at all.

Now the devs "fixxed" something, as you wanted them to change sth,
but again everything is porked and useless. Admitted the red FM is really kind of useless atm, although if u fly the Sissy like a 109 CEM it doesnt get heated.

However, maybe some will learn from this development in the future.

Seriously, if the effects on global servers wouldnt be that bad due the red FM, this would be so funny.

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Originally Posted by Nephris

Call be an a$$, but ....it reminds be a kind of the spirits that u v cited....
Somehow it is more than funny, as in those threads are always the same suspects crying out loud.

Before summer the red FMs werent that bad, nevertheless in good old IL2- manner our sissywhiners started their buisness again crying for this ,moaing for that, and actually the complete FMs were bad at all.

Now the devs "fixxed" something, as you wanted them to change sth,
but again everything is porked and useless. Admitted the red FM is really kind of useless atm, although if u fly the Sissy like a 109 CEM it doesnt get heated.

However, maybe some will learn from this development in the future.

Seriously, if the effects on global servers wouldnt be that bad due the red FM, this would be so funny.

if you fly the spit like a 109? is that what you meant? it doesnt over heat?

you are either trolling, or i misunderstood your post. please clarify

as things are, i fly the 109 full throttle until im ready to land. it doesnt come close to overheating.

and when did the spit become known as the Sissy? that seems rather childish way to try to annoy red pilots, so i would assume this is just another troll post.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

'Open Cowling FULL before start engine and Do not close it!'
.

OK, So I've decided to test this little suggestion from Thomas Voss of Desastersoft:

I flew a spitfire 2a, with 50% fuel.
I've carried out testing at three altitudes >250ft, 5,000ft and 10,000ft.
I tested the airspeed at 2400, 2600 and 2800 RPM at each altitude.
Boost pressure was ALWAYS adjusted to read +5 in each case.
All tests were carried out with 100% open radiator
All speeds are indicated, at straight and level flight.
The ONLY variable was this - one test 1 I opened the radiator before starting the engine. In test 2 I waited until I was nearly airborne before opening the radiator.

SPEED test results:

http://postimage.org/image/mqaksad1v/

For me, there is NO obvious speed improvement resulting from opening the radio before engine start in the 2a.