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Cut throttle, force an overshoot and go into scissors. I usually combine this with a hard turn to obscure the cut. After about 100 degrees i give it full power again, turn hard into the other direction, applying a bit of rudder to make the troll faster and the scissors begins. The 109 has enough power to get into co energy state pretty fast again and the roll negates the Spits and Hurries superiour turn rate. From then on it's pilots ability, not so much plane characteristics anymore.
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put them on an axis or scroll wheel.
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Someone said to me ones, SpitII is not good, it forgives you mistakes, because you can always run away, well, I see that everyday when on RED. |
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1. This only applies when for whatever reason, you find yourself with a spit on your tail and you already lost your energy advantage anyways. 2. Your description implies that when crossing the line of fire, you are still behind him in a way. That means cutting throttle and forcing an overshoot did not work. It works more often then you might think, though. 3. You also imply that the 109 rolls only on one plane, instead of also chaning altitude while scissoring, making him cross your line of fire a rather easy affair. 4. Spit pilots tend to be overcondident in slow turning fights and rarely display the descipline to pull away early enough when finding themselves in scissors. And the 109, with a better roll rate, simply works better in this kind of maneuvering. You change direction faster, that means you cut corners faster and eventually get the Spit in front of you. All in all that does not fit to the tactics I am going after here.
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Videos like that blow my mind. Cockpit is sooo small. Those guys had some balls. One of these times at EAA I'm going to have to try and sit in one of these things...
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I flew the recent 3 weeks on BLUE side and I must say that I never got shoot down by a Hurricane or Spitfire since I always kept an eye on E-management and with the E-advantage, the 109 is unstoppable. Only super accurate Wellington or Blenheim AI gunners downed me or when I accidentally rammed them ( happens sometimes to me) and I had to bail out. However, in that time I rarely made voyages down below the cloud level.
Also, what I am missing is, that whiel FLying red and I fly 90% of times RED, there is mroe teamwork going on for the RAF. 109s can be quickly started and you are ready to go, but mostly one catches 109s lonely or sometimes in pairs somwhere over England which is nothing against 4-6 Reds flying together. Once one 109 was rushing into a formation of 9 Spits and Hurris just to find itself hit by 8 different planes . Just yesterday I recorded the following footage of a 109 low dogfighting over Manston and then trying to run away: One think to be tired out is whether how effective the usage of the flaps in dogfights is. I heard soem peopel saying with that it is possible to stay in a turn with a Hurricane for a long time. Haven´t tried it yet. Last edited by Hellbender; 01-26-2012 at 05:01 PM. |
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As the guy at Doc's video explains somewhere (or maybe it was another RAF pilot that made the comment at the full documentary) the Bf109 ruled the sky during the first year of the war.
The Bf109 could decide when to attack AND when to disengage. Which is pretty much the case at ATAG...so like in real life (whether it hurts or not). Quote:
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That's right and I felt guilty! At least they were on their way home after having made their drop, though. Nothing worse than getting all the way over and picking up a 109 on the final run.
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Thanks for the tips all, the looking forward to the next outing.
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