4.11: Some Missions Locking-Up

[IceFire]

I think it would be a matter of coincidence that having a mission present in the IL-2 game directory would have any affect on any other mission. The "nice" thing about IL-2 missions is that they are just text files with waypoint coordinates and other properties written out in plain text. The only time they interact is when the game loads the file...everything else happens in the game engine itself. If it's not loaded it wouldn't be doing anything.

I guess the vehicles have nothing to do with it. I wonder about taking out elements of that mission until it does play through and not lock up.

[Aviar]

Icefire is correct. You don't have to be 'afraid' of the mission. It can't harm anything.

Today, I couldn't even load the Solomons map into the FMB (4.11, of course), so something is up. I could play the mission itself from the Multiplayer screen, but of course it froze up about 10 minutes into it.

Hosted a bunch of coops today in HL...had no problems at all. Obviously I did not attempt to play any of the 'bad' missions.

Aviar

[IceFire]

I've been playing a bunch of missions tonight. All are larger scale, they have bombers, some of them are on the Finnish Gulf, some are at Kiev, about the only place I haven't been is Solomons.

If it is specific to the Solomons... or this is where it exposes some sort of underlying issue. I wonder if it's on all versions of the Solomons map or just some of them. You're using a later version of the map in your example mission than the one I'm using for a RNZAF/Blacksheep adventure that I'm working on. I wonder if that has anything to do with it or not...

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Aviar

Icefire is correct. You don't have to be 'afraid' of the mission. It can't harm anything.

Today, I couldn't even load the Solomons map into the FMB (4.11, of course), so something is up. I could play the mission itself from the Multiplayer screen, but of course it froze up about 10 minutes into it.

Hosted a bunch of coops today in HL...had no problems at all. Obviously I did not attempt to play any of the 'bad' missions.

Aviar

Good... I just wanted to rule out anything that may be causing the freezes. WSBS also uses the Kuban map. That's rather large if I recall. Most missions have been bomber intercepts with 40 or so bombers. Defenses have obligatory AA, ships and my squadron has been meeting up with several allies - making up a group of 12 - 16 fighters en-mass. The bombers also have escort on some of the missions.

I'm going to create a small bomber intercept on the Solomon map and see if that's an issue..

I wish I was more helpful on the ins and outs of things, but hopefully at least building a small mission will help narrow down the problem..

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Robert

Good... I just wanted to rule out anything that may be causing the freezes. WSBS also uses the Kuban map. That's rather large if I recall. Most missions have been bomber intercepts with 40 or so bombers. Defenses have obligatory AA, ships and my squadron has been meeting up with several allies - making up a group of 12 - 16 fighters en-mass. The bombers also have escort on some of the missions.

I'm going to create a small bomber intercept on the Solomon map and see if that's an issue..

I wish I was more helpful on the ins and outs of things, but hopefully at least building a small mission will help narrow down the problem..

Kuban is a lightweight compared to the more modern maps Gulf of Finland and the full fat versions of the Slovakia map are the heavier ones. Solomons is also not due to object density but by the sheer geographical size of the map.

[Aviar]

There's no need to be building 'smaller' missions. I already mentioned that I have 2 smaller missions that work perfectly fine on the Solomons map (4.11). I also have a big mission on the Slovakia (Summer lite) map that locks up (4.11).

At this time I want to say something. I really don't think we will find anything. I have spent a lot of my personal time trying to find something.

Assuming this is not something specific to my computer, we have to admit that it is an issue with 4.11. In that case it is some sort of code/programming issue.

There is one thing that cannot be disputed. I have played/hosted these 'bad' missions many times in 4.10 without a single problem. When I play/host these same missions in 4.11, they lock up. On the same computer.

So I'm not comfortable 'blaming' these missions for being too big or having too many waypoints or too many vehicles, etc. If there is something 'strange' with these missions, why do they work fine in 4.10?

By now, I think we are looking in the wrong place. If it's a code/programming issue in 4.11, there is not much 'we' can do about it.

What I'm trying to say is that at this point, in my opinion, the ball is in Daidalos Team's court. They know about the issue and one of the team members has even confirmed a lock-up on the mission I posted.

Certainly, if they needed any help at all, I would always be willing to assist in any way that I could. I have a lot of respect for all the team members.

Personally, I'm also getting uncomfortable about this thread getting so long. I don't want to be looked at like some whining fan boy crying "...FIX THIS PROBLEM...". I've been playing IL-2 for 10 years and I just want it to be the best flight sim possible so that we can all enjoy playing it.

So, at this point I'm probably going to lay a little low and let the Daidalos Team do what they do best.

Aviar

[IceFire]

Avair, check your e-mail

[Robert]

Understood Aviar and Icefire. Thinking about it more I believe you are right. I hadn't played IL2 since August of '10 so I never had 4.10 and therefore have nothing to compare it to.

If it is a memory leak it is in DT's court. At least it's confirmed that your mission did freeze up on several members and that shows there is something.

[Nicholaiovitch]

I just saw this thread after experiencing identical lock-ups on our DF missions. (net/dogfight....no server software...peer to peer connection)

The first mission this happened with was when our squad first started using 4.11 after applying the "Hotfix".

It was a mission created on the "Islands" map in 4.10.1 and then flown again in 4.11 with the first freeze happening over an airfield with several flights of AI attacking 6 "real" online flyer's.

We tried three times to run the mission again and the same thing happened. Following week we tried another DF mission with the same results.

All these missions are fairly heavy on objects and AI but all run perfectly in 4.10.1 and UP3 RC4. The freezes occurred during interception/attack of AI by players overhead/near one of the airfields with bombs exploding and multiple fire from players and AI.

I can post the "Islands" mission if it helps.

Unfortunately, we have now stopped using 4.11 until we can isolate the issue or get TD to look into what clearly may be an issue with memory overload even on one of the simpler maps....or possibly another AI related problem?

I'm sorry it has taken so long to reply to this.....I felt the same way as Aviar in thinking that we could have a hardware issue here.....but I think not now.

Nicholaiovitch

[Aviar]

Be patient. DT is working on it.

Aviar