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Old 11-13-2010, 07:36 PM
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:07 PM
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i dont like so much de withe line in the wing when we see black in the blackground
You know what? Even Oleg and team doesn't like that. But because it's WIP (you know) they will iron it out...

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Old 11-13-2010, 08:14 PM
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i dont like so much de withe line in the wing when we see black in the blackground. i dont know if i explain this ok. but i can live with that.
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You know what? Even Oleg and team doesn't like that. But because it's WIP (you know) they will iron it out...
Already ironed out, even.

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This is corrected. It was a glitch when using antialiasing feature of the video card. But videowas recorded before that bug was removed.
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:28 PM
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No markings on that, only colors. Markings, riveting/panels, weathering comes all from separate layers wich aren't editable (if I've got luthier's words right).

Finally no swatiks any more
This isn't directed at you specifically Foo'bar and I'll probably regret even making this point since it'll probably make me a "bad guy" but...

That'd be too bad if markings are not editable. In the case of WWII-era German planes specifically, it bugs me when history takes a backseat to censorship and political correctness. As much as I disagree with it, I accept that some countries like to whitewash history by making some symbols illegal. That's their perogative and I understand that Maddox Games doesn't want to open themselves up for litigation (though I think it's ludicrous to think a flight sim would be a lightning rod for Neo-Nazis). However if SoW, or whatever it's called now, is going to ship with missing aircraft markings, I'd at least like to keep the avenue open for 3rd parties to add the correct markings for those that can legally view historical correctness.

I'm certainly no Nazi sympathizer but for all the nitpicking about inconsequential details, it's surprising to me that more people aren't bugged by the lack of historically correct markings on German planes. Like it or not, the swastika was there. To me, leaving it off is tantamount to leaving the fin flashes or roundels off RAF planes, tantamount of course not in idealogy but in historical correctness.

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Old 11-13-2010, 08:43 PM
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You'd be surprised how offended people get. I built a model of a "Val" dive bomber and applied red circle decals to the wings - people called it a "Zero", and "the Kamikaze plane" and one person said, "You know what they did to my country?" I was surprised with the reaction to say the least. I guess building a model automatically makes me a sympathizer. You know, there are people who don't fly German planes in IL-2, because it is "wrong".

I wonder what will happen when I get around to making a model of a Finnish Buffalo with Hakaristi.

Anyway, the Russian version of IL-2 shipped with swastikas, and there was always a segment of code that told where they should have been applied (some place on the rudder). Programs like MAT Manager simply replace the missing texture. So, is this not going to be possible in SoW?

Oh, and the skins are 100% editable, with rivits, weathering, and bump-mapping going on top automatically. It wouldn't be that hard to photo-shop a swastika in, right?

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Old 11-13-2010, 08:45 PM
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Ok, rant over. Sorry for veering off on a controversial tangent so...flame away!
Well put,nothing wrong with your post.Markings that are historic and accurate should be included and able to be removed if necessary.
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:50 PM
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This isn't directed at you specifically Foo'bar and I'll probably regret even making this point since it'll probably make me a "bad guy" but...

That'd be too bad if markings are not editable. In the case of WWII-era German planes specifically, it bugs me when history takes a backseat to censorship and political correctness. As much as I disagree with it, I accept that some countries like to whitewash history by making some symbols illegal. That's their perogative and I understand that Maddox Games doesn't want to open themselves up for litigation (though I think it's ludicrous to think a flight sim would be a lightning rod for Neo-Nazis). However if SoW, or whatever it's called now, is going to ship with missing aircraft markings, I'd at least like to keep the avenue open for 3rd parties to add the correct markings for those that can legally view historical correctness.

I'm certainly no Nazi sympathizer but for all the nitpicking about inconsequential details, it's surprising to me that more people aren't bugged by the lack of historically correct markings on German planes. Like it or not, the swastika was there. To me, leaving it off is tantamount to leaving the fin flashes or roundels off RAF planes, tantamount of course not in idealogy but in historical correctness.

Ok, rant over. Sorry for veering off on a controversial tangent so...flame away!
Nope, you are right. That sort of censorship is silly but those countries can do what they like. I'm a bit miffed that I have to be subject to laws that don't pertain to me.

I don't REALLY care if it is there or not, but since there is no good reason for it to be omitted then it's wrong to not have it in an otherwise historically accurate sim. The ability for a third party to add them should not be curtailed.

But maybe even having that ability is a violation of the law in some countries. I suspect that is the case and why the developer will not allow such third party skins. If that's the case then I see it as those countries imposing their moral will on other countries.

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Old 11-13-2010, 08:53 PM
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I'll be strafing you on the ground in my Tomahawk then
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:53 PM
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I accept that some countries like to whitewash history by making some symbols illegal.
Well I think that you don't want or can't get the point Peace!

This is a serious topic and since english isn't my native language I prefer to say nothing more about it.

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Old 11-13-2010, 08:56 PM
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there is special build-in markings editor in MainMenu->Extras.
Just two clicks, have fun
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