The Crystal Ball 2

[gonk]

Me and No......

[the Dutchman]

It's just like real life,if people don't do what they promise for long enough,sooner or later you turn your back,simple...

[Verhängnis]

I like it how alot of the people who complained about CoD have now switched and sided with the developers given that they haven't achieved anything yet so as to make themselves feel like a better person. Good job.

[gonk]

Originally Posted by the Dutchman

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

Ok... where is the remove membership button.... I can not find it in my CP

There are a lot of ppl with nothing more constructive to add to this forum... this includes myself...

So, to help management to keep track on the health of a forum and satisfaction of customers it would be wise to add a Remove Membership Button .. with a quick reason why.... This will be better then an account just going silent and not knowing why.

thanks...

[DroopSnoot]

Originally Posted by Ataros

If there is no patch this means there is a problem.

Yeah its called cliffs of dover, How do they get rid of it so they can sell BoM.

[6S.Tamat]

Originally Posted by Insuber

By reading a bit the Sukhoi.ru forum, this kind of assumptions about a supposedly superior self consciousness of Western consumers is seriously flawed. The customers there are even angrier.

That is interesting. I wonder how much time they will need to understand how dangerous is the path htey choose for their work.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Ataros

If there is no patch this means there is a problem. Probably many problems that are found and fixed every day. It goes without saying, no point in repeating it every Friday. When there is no problems we get the patch.

that is fine to say a few weeks after a bugged release, but NOT 12 months later

[priller26]

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I think this is very well said, and sums it up in all honesty, you simply can't rework what is a complex engine in 6 months...something that takes years to develop correctly, its overreaching by devs...we wanted to believe it, it we may still be surprised, but its like Porsche developing a new engine after they start selling the car. Anyway, time to just disconnect and check back this summer.

[priller26]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

There will always be fans that are patient enough to wait for it to mature properly. Hell, I know I'm one of them. So dead and buried? Nah. Having the number of fans it COULD have had? Most likely not.

Then again, the original IL2's fanbase picked up over the years. I'm fairly confident that CLoD and sequels will recover as well.

If only it were that simple. Money wise, its a not go apparently. 5-6 years in development ( I remember following snippets in the internet), broke upon release. A year after release, still major bugs. At some point, they are not going to keep throwing resources they don't have down the hole. They will move on to something that works and is profitable. To do otherwise would just be bad business. Too many tanks and MG's...no enough core fix.

[hiro]

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues. And some of them there isn't anything new.

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.


And its funny. Once Il-2 Moscow / Cliffs gets working like Il-2 1946, everyone, including those that vehemently declared they would never purchase this game or give money would buy it, heck even twice.


UNless there is a serious WW 2 sim contender, but so far this game has the lead in that area.


Yeah I'm annoyed, but there's more dangerous things in life I should put my worries to.

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I agree with Oleg's statement . . . lots of people miss the fact programming and coding is something that can be very complex, and even more so when dealing with complexities such as physics in dog fighting . . .