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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 03-10-2011, 08:00 PM
Wynthorpe Wynthorpe is offline
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I really cant fathom what everyones problem is with Steam?! You can still have dedicated servers etc, run mods, do anything you want! Its only platform to launch the game and help stop piracy (which is only a good thing). I think you all need to really sit back and think how this will affect your game play......it wont!
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:36 PM
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+1 the levelling of moaning here is beyond appailing, how dare ppl complain who else would even bother to make a highly detailed ww2 aircraft simulator when you can spit out games like cod and other fps year after year with no upgrades, minimal work and get paid 1000 times more than 1c will for il2 cod and that's after 6 years of development so everyone moaning here STFU and be glad your even getting a product like this and one that is not watered down for consoles
Since you're getting a tad aggressive here let me remind you that
a) steam brings nothing to the table that CoD won't be able to do on it's own, according to the man himself (mr Maddox), so it's more of an option rather than a necessity and
b) it was a publisher decision forced on them and not something they decided by themselves (again, their words not mine).

So, trying to make it seem as if the people who disagree with the decision to integrate Steam are somehow doing a disservice to team Maddox isn't exactly going to fly.

You guys really want to make me look for the exact quotes if i am to stop having to type the exact same reply every few posts , don't you?


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Not gonna happen and it's the fault of hackers that these drm software are in use, it's the typical case of a few ruining it for everyone else.

I think all you need to do is activate the game once install steam then turn on play offline and you can have your LAN game. Inconvenient yes, a show stopper? not unless you are too stubborn to accept the inevitable.
You apparently missed that one. There is already a different DRM implementation for the game called Solidshield, so Steam is not there for copy protection reasons either. That means that even if you like Steam you too will lack the choice to use only Steam, you'll have to use the Solidshield DRM on top of it.

Apparently Solidshield is supposed to be very effective as well, more so than Steam, for the games of which a quick google search will reveal thousands of illegal torrents with an upload date similar to the game's release date.

It's not exactly the safest protection method and i know this from personal experience dating back to 2004 or so, maybe even earlier, and extending to the present day: while working at a webcafe we had valid licenses for all the games but whenever Steam was behaving strange and customers couldn't play, we changed the shortcut links to versions with "workarounds" that made the game playable until Steam service was restored.

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All Steam games where cracked on day of release. You can get illegal copies of every game that's out there, so the only thing drm successfully supresses is the market for used games.
Actually, if we can disable Steam but the DRM can't be bypassed it will be a win-win situation for everyone: Solidshield DRM is still in place so the pirates can't distribute illegal copies, the people who like Steam can use it and those who don't can disable it.

I wouldn't be surprised if such a stalemate is reached after a few months.


On a more humorous note...

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This whole thread looks like this:



What do you see?
...sorry, but i can't resist answering this one.

It's a glass of water.

It's enough for some people, too much for some and not enough for others.

Maybe it would be a good idea to let them go to the tap and fill it up a little more or allow them to not drink all of it, or even empty some of it into the sink so that, you know, they can actually decide for themselves about the amount of water they want to drink. What do you think about it? Isn't it a neat idea, or should we let half of them parch and waterboard the rest to show them who runs things around here? Yeah, that'll show them progress, i'm going to be the arbiter of their hydration ration for the rest of their lives!
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Old 03-10-2011, 09:50 PM
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Absolutely awesome news.

Steam is full of win.

You have just earned yourself a pre-order from me for utilising steamworks.

Steam is the best thing to happen to pc gaming, ever.

Thank you Ubi.

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Old 03-11-2011, 09:23 AM
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Bolds things to change context. Gripes about standard EUA verbage. You do realize basically every game you play says nearly exactly that Verbatim. I also suspect that your agreement to this forum says something similar about communications through it.
Uhm... You are arguing what exactly?
"That since some/most/all other game has the same draconian, customer
hostile, self-preserving, greed-corrupted EULA... we should quit complaining
that Steam has it?"

Please! Do allow me to chuckle at that concept a minute... *snicker*

...

Furthermore, I have always bought games and given them away to friends
when I've grown tired of them... So, your ad-hoc assertion that "basically
every game has an EULA which prevents you from giving your game away"
is in dire need of more than a few quotes & examples to support it.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:30 AM
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...that you can still use tools like the Hyperlobby and are not forced to play
via steam !

i guess some clarificationj is needed from official side here please !

Imo, hyperlobby is horrible.
It behaves worse than steam in many respects, like...
- Forcing you to update or you woun't even get connected.
- Stealing Focus at every turn it can.
- Updates forcing itself into "C:\Program files" even-though HL isn't installed there.
- etc, etc...

So, any alternative to HL would be welcome in my book.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:35 AM
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Absolutely awesome news.

Steam is full of win.

You have just earned yourself a pre-order from me for utilising steamworks.

Steam is the best thing to happen to pc gaming, ever.

Thank you Ubi.

LOL...!

Talk about a school-book example of someone getting paid to influence forums.

I'm guessing hired and paid by UBI-soft...
Because no normal gamer would even think of putting the words "Thank you"
and "UBI-soft" in the same room, except during sarcastic hour on Fridays.
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Old 03-11-2011, 10:01 AM
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Not at all like the anti-steam (anti-everything) bunch then?
There's always someone who has to go...

- If you don't take the blue pill, then you will probably have reservations.
-- If you have reservations, then you will probably have suggestions
--- If you are suggesting something, then you are technically complaining.
---- If you are complaining, then you are whining.
----- If you are whining, then you don't have a point.
------ If you don't have a point, then you should get lost.


Though, I did enjoy your attempt to equate being "anti-steam" with being "anti-everything".



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Personally I'm fed up with all negativism here and all this whinig about everything does not lead anywhere.
Oh, noez...
I stand in the doorway, waving my white handkerchief, with tears running down my...
...oh wait.
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Old 03-11-2011, 02:11 PM
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- Updates forcing itself into "C:\Program files" even-though HL isn't installed
Now the fact you can't use a PC is HL's fault?

Buy a Mac.
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Old 03-11-2011, 02:26 PM
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Now the fact you can't use a PC is HL's fault?

Buy a Mac.
The fact that you chose to mis-quote me in order to flame, shows that you
are nothing but a troll. //ktnxbye
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:15 AM
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Steams multiplayer support destroys Hyperlobby in EVERY way possible.
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