the best dogfighting this generation?

[TexRoadkill]

I bought this game because of the Realistic and Sim modes. I've tried the demos for all the 360 flight games and this is the first one I had to buy. I'm glad there aren't a lot of complicated controls to deal with. That always turned me off in PC flight sims. I think it's possible to have a 'sim experience' without having to duplicate every single input that a real pilot would have to provide. To me the sim experience is more about allowing you to deal with the realistic challenges of flight and air combat without having to memorize a bunch of different key combos to deal with engine managment and seat warmers.

I seem to have a a lot of trouble finding my adversaries in MP dogfights on sim though. But since they seem to have no problem finding me I'm going to assume that's my fault and not the game.

[mondo]

I think its probably worth pointing out that this is the FIRST console flight simulator.

HAWX, ace combat etc are not simulators by any stretch of the imagination.

They have about as much in common with simulators as Katamari has to real life.

[Dubbedinenglish]

For me it is this and Warhawk are the best this gen. AC6 was not as good as its PS2 predecessors and HAWX nerfed the fun in flying with the hand holding assist modes.

IL-2 and Warhawk are two different approaches on flight, Warhawk being a very arcade, but extremely fun game and IL-2 being a sim.

I've put in over 300 hours in Warhawk and I can see the same for this game.

[PoetSaskia]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

BoP is using exactly the same flightmodel for Sim mode as the original Il-2 (1946), and still allows hundreds of planes in the air.

Hundreds, you say? Are there really missions with hundreds of planes in the air? I'm not very far into the game, but I'm looking forward to some massive air battles. I want to know more about that!

[aceofdaves]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

Sure cockpits are nice and all but theres no zoom in on instruments so they are pratically useless.

I'd agree, I think sim would benefit from having heading displayed on the hud along with alt and speed. The cockpits are nice it's got to be impossible to optimise the cockpit view for both seeing the enemy, where you're going and be aware of your instruments without being able to move the pilots 'eyes'. Perhaps when the altered look-around controls come into effect with the dlc this will be partially addressed.

Originally Posted by Lexandro

I have several close friends with the game and they all agree with me that sim mode just isnt any fun for them, as its far to frustrating. They and I prefer arcade at this point, though we have tried realistic a few times. But the way things are in realistic and having no option to set some things on/off really puts a downer on the fun, which is the whole reason we play the game in the first place.

Its not about personal opinion in the end however. Its about knowing the market and selling titles. I personally think its selling well simply due to the fact that its a damn good game. Its nothing to do with "the challenge", its simply well made, looks fantastic, and most of all is fun.

I'd disagree here. It's all about personal opinion and the fact that both you and Axe99 both like the same game for completely different reasons is testament to how well the devs have understood and catered for the various corners of the market!

[King Jareth]

You can use the zoom and freelook at the same time to zoom in on the instuments.

[QBlackDeathQ]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

I have AC6/Hawx/Over-G and now IL2. I can say for certain that IL2 is THE BEST flight game for consoles ever made. The thing about modern flight sims is that 99% or the time you never actually see your opponents due to the supreme range of missiles. Arcade wise this usually results in games where all you do is wait for tone and fire to get a kill.

By having the game in WW2, we are once more returned to a fight & flight scenario. Gunnery is key to victory, and skill at getting "guns on". There are a few issues I have with it as a title for console.

Sim mode I feel is a waste of time, as do many other console players. If I want a "sim" game I play PC, thats what its best at. Arcade style games is where the consoles strength is. I mean no offence to anyone who plays it, whatever floats your boat. Me though I see Arcade and Realistic as the two core modes to the game.

Realistic for a stick, Arcade for a pad.

But all in all, with a few minor tweaks I would give IL2 BoP a very good 9.5/10 score. I currently rate it at 8.8 ( lack of SP options/controls definitions etc).

I think arcade and realistic are a waste of time. It might just be me but a kill in those modes feels fake you really dont have to work hard for it. you just lock on and follow the arrows, flaps flight corrections are all done for you. simply put a kill does not feel like a kill. in sim you work just to track your target, and it all comes togeather when you squeeze off a few rounds and your target goes up in flames.

[Irishmandkg]

I think this game mirrors the amount of fun that I had with Crimson Skies back in 2003 on the original xbox. Such a fun game.

[Dexter]

Originally Posted by PoetSaskia

there hasn't been much in the way of flight combat this gen. I own HAWX and Ace Combat 6, and was disappointed with both of them. I haven't experienced dogfighting this good in many years, since Rogue Leader for gamecube. I think it's the best this gen, what do you think?

To date, the best any gen, PC or console IMO.

I have had IL-2 on my PC systems for the last 7 years. Each new system I build, each new OS I install, IL-2 for me has always been part of the installation process. Sometimes it has been the only game on my system.

Today I uninstalled it.

BoP has set the bar. The look and feel is perfect. The cinematic effects are superb (please can we have replay!?).

If it was available for PC I don't think I'd install it, even though I have a very good SSD based system.
BoP belongs on my 40" 1080p Samsung running on my PS3 and the more I fly with the T-Flight HX, the more I love it.
Can't wait to fix the deadzone.

[PoetSaskia]

yeah Xplay said its the best flight combat game they've ever played on a console.