IL-2 Random Crashes,ATI video card

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by brando

I have a 4890 and was experiencing all the bad effects like artefacts, blue lighting and worst of all, the FMB crashing! I just went back to the Catalyst 9.5s and everything is just fine.

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The gunfire artifact goes way back. I was getting the gunfire artifacts on a HD 3850. Before that I was using an x1550, and that was clear of that problem, not half so powerful graphically, but the gunfire artifact didn't show up once. It may well be that on the 3850 I was using a later driver, and earlier 3850 drivers didn't do it, but I don't have any way of knowing about that. All my recent Radeons have been Sapphires, including the x1550, if they don't work with standard Ati drivers, they certainly used to.

[GF_Mastiff]

Listen guys after 10 years with ATI I have given up, I bought a NVIDIA EVGA GTX 260cor 216 896M ddr3 PCIE for $137.00. http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?inv...VCD&cpc=VCDbsc

IL2 looks even more stuinning with NVIDIA...

and Im getting any where upwards from 40FPS to over 100FPS!!!Everything is maxed!!!

My sugestion drop the ATI cards they sux...

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff

My sugestion drop the ATI cards they sux...

It isn't that simple. I have a crossfire motherboard, I can get a second card that takes me past almost any GF for £120, to beat that combination in a single Geforce card would cost £380. My motherboard doesn't do SLI, and two cards wouldn't be as cheap as one even if it did.

I do like the idea of Ati and AMD as underdogs united. Other than that, I'm slowly coming around to the view that where Open GL in games is concerned, you may have a point.

[GF_Mastiff]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

It isn't that simple. I have a crossfire motherboard, I can get a second card that takes me past almost any GF for £120, to beat that combination in a single Geforce card would cost £380. My motherboard doesn't do SLI, and two cards wouldn't be as cheap as one even if it did.

I do like the idea of Ati and AMD as underdogs united. Other than that, I'm slowly coming around to the view that where Open GL in games is concerned, you may have a point.

Thats ok I have the P5WDHdelux its a mobo crossfire set-up, I can run SLI on it no problem. I had 2 x HD 3870's running in crossfire and they would only get 40fps in IL2 4.09mb1 max'ed out...

SLI is ran through your cards, the mobo crossfire is only for the ATI cards that don't need the bridge, the HD 3870's and above that need the bridge use only the ATI CCC crossfire set up enabled... Don't be fooled into think just because it states crossfire Mobo it just means it can be bridged through the Mobo..

[brando]

Well, I think Alpha was right when he said that the latest couple of Catalyst versions have a problem with OpenGL, at least as far as this old game is concerned. I flew online for a few hours last night, using the 9.5s, and never saw a single problem.

If we're gonna get into product fanaticism - here's a BD score from this driver set - Frames: 10200 - Time: 150000ms - Avg: 68.000 - Min: 26 - Max: 159

That's also with 'maxed-out' settings; I don't think I'm going to junk my Radeon quite yet

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[hiro]

Originally Posted by Petey the 3rd

Do you remember which driver you used? Maybe it could help me.

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sorry this is late


I kept posting and the weaksauce login timeout arrgh . . .


Notepad FTW.



anycase I was using 8.4 driver, it was a CD driver. I have other CD's for other 2 ATI's (they were giving them away from work for free) I got.

It worked with IL-2. I tried 8.2 and 8.6 and those work also but the 8.4 works for some other games.

The next part is kinda long, so if your part of the TLDR crowd, its optional.





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My experience with ATI / AMD

ATI has been a flipping hassle. Before IL-2 became the only game I play.

I had to set up 3 different boots of XP w/ different ATI drivers. One was for FPS / Half Life 2. Another was for MMO / RPG's. World of warcrack, mass effect, knights of the old republic, lord of the rings online. The final was IL-2. I had to tweak the card settings.

Then I got one nvidia to play them all. And it was straight out of the box.

I was cleaning out my old pentium 90 mhz and saw my notes for the diamond steath card incident and began to experiment w/ the ATI again and found the 8.4 works.

But 8.4 doesn't like Knights of Old republic or Lord of the rings.




I used to love AMD / ATI. They were cheap and AMD was even faster (at the same price). Then the multi core AMD fiasco came, and they bought out ATI, and the quality went down on both fronts

AMD / ATI are more finicky. A year ago at work, this new hire, a ambitious prick type of coworker tell me he could do our inventory management cheaper.

So the boss fell for his pitch and he bought 100 ATI cards and AMD chipsets. He builds them using the cpu fans and PSU's we used for our normal builds (intel based). I told him he'd need a new PSU wattages and better cooler fans.

I told the boss the new machines would have issues and we didn't test ATI's with the graphics programs.

The AMD's keep crashing due to heat and low wattage. One even cooks the motherboard. ATI's work fine except for our graphic designer / architect depts, so eventually I find a driver that works.

The guy didn't even do one build to test (Normally we research a build, then build one, run it for a year or six mo's, then order sets of 100).

So boss goes back to our usual builds. He Ebays + gives away some to IT the ATI + AMD sets, fires the new guy. Then he busts a Goering on Galland and lets me go for not warning him and for conspiring to get IT to get free goods.

yay economy

[GF_Mastiff]

Originally Posted by hiro

So boss goes back to our usual builds. He Ebays + gives away some to IT the ATI + AMD sets, fires the new guy. Then he busts a Goering on Galland and lets me go for not warning him and for conspiring to get IT to get free goods.

yay economy

That suxs I would have taken him to court... And taken his job...Gone over his head with the owners...

[EKat]

I have two brand new HD4890's (crossfire'd) and am equally shagrined to find that I have the same CTD problem with IL-2 that others report. I'm using Win 7 RC, so I thought it was with windows or an overclock problem. But, apparently not so. It seems whenever I play online in a COOP with my squadies, I CTD within 10-15 mins of game time. I've tried Catalyst 9.8 and 9.9 drivers and have experienced the problem with regularity when using OpenGL. Doesn't matter whether it's 'perfect mode' in graphics or not. OpenGL use in IL-2 = CTDs. Oddly, I can't replicate the problem as easily with offline play, but have seen it happen. I also noted the ati0glxx.dll issue in the event log and loaded an internet found-copy (2004 version) of that file in the windows/system32 folder, but it did not fix the problem. I understand from other forums that this is thought to be a memory leak with the current drivers and earlier versions might work OK with IL-2. I've backed-out to Catalyst version 9.6, but haven't tested it just yet. I logged my situation at the ATI tech forums and recommend others do the same. Suggest others do the same. I'm kind'a forced into using this card(s) until DX11 cards come out. If ATI doesn't give me satisfaction in the next 30 days with a fix, I'll pull the plug on ATI and when the DX11 cards for NVidia come out. I'm a patient person, but this problem should have been fixed by now as it's been known since late July, so this is completely unsatisfactory to me. As a series IL-2 is quite old now, but as a game it is still the premier online combat sim. What's ATI's problem. Have they just given up on this sim to NVidia?

Related link: http://forums.amd.com/game/messagevi...eyword1=IL%2D2

[KG26_Alpha]

Thxz for reporting/posting this

[EKat]

I tried the 4GB patcher and Catalyst 9.10, neither cured the OpenGL memory leak/CTD problem for me. I seem to get the problem in high particle (explosions, smoke) situations. I've never had it with a dogfight server, only in COOPs with lots of action. I've also posted the problem as feedback at AMD's web site and noticed that the automated form doesn't even include IL-2 as a game listed on their form's pick list. That must be telling me something.

I'm installing Win 7 today and I am seriously considering buying an Nvidia card (prior to) so that my fresh install can be sans ATI. I'm about fed up with this problem. I've given ATI plenty of time to fix it. Too much in my view.