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Old 09-20-2008, 04:35 AM
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Anyone who thinks they can recreate the WW2 air combat experience in any way, online or off, is out of their mind.

Really guys, it a freaking video game.

A very good one and one that I dearly love, but it's just a video game and none of you are in any danger of death or injury playing it.

Ergo, it can never approach the kind of realism you keep yapping about, as you fly from the comfort of your den, in your nice comfortable chair, with the volume of your speakers or headsets adjusted so as not to cause you to go deaf after 20 missions.

I would like to disagree with you ElAurens - with IL2, Oleg has given us the tools to fairly closely recreate actual WWII combat missions - of course we are all sitting in our comfortable chairs and the thought of danger, death or injury is not really with us - what is with us are suberbly modelled WWII aircraft that sometimes do give you the feeling of flying the real thing (I fly 'real aircraft' privately from time to time and can compare).
The other big feature in IL2 is the FMB where you can recreate a WWII scenario, flak, airfield scenarios, light conditions and weather effects.

Two years ago we had Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown come onto the forum, highly praising Oleg's WWII aircraft flight dynamics, his only real criticism was about the stick forces.

I have just finished reading Captain Brown's memoirs in his wonderful book 'Wings on my Sleeve'. He is the only man, who thankfully is still with us, that has flown every major and minor combat aircraft of WWII. The flight experiences described in his book with some of these WWII aircraft can very closely be matched in IL2 with Oleg's aircraft.

When Oleg releases BOB SOW and reading what he is saying from the latest posts, we will get a flight sim that will even more closely be able to simulate actual WWII combat experiences.

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Old 09-20-2008, 02:52 PM
RCAF_FB_Orville RCAF_FB_Orville is offline
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Anyone who thinks they can recreate the WW2 air combat experience in any way, online or off, is out of their mind.

Really guys, it a freaking video game.

A very good one and one that I dearly love, but it's just a video game and none of you are in any danger of death or injury playing it.

Ergo, it can never approach the kind of realism you keep yapping about, as you fly from the comfort of your den, in your nice comfortable chair, with the volume of your speakers or headsets adjusted so as not to cause you to go deaf after 20 missions.

Hi ElAurens and ~S~ to all . I concur absolutely Sir. I am very new to posting on forums (though i have been reading them for years ) and my aversion to them in the past has been admittedly because some folk (bless em lol) seem to take IL2 as some kind of LIFE OR DEATH matter which amuses me no end Yeah, its as real as at present it is going to get.....but C'mon, end of the day its just a game.

RE: Online/off, at present 90% On 10% off; both have their pros and cons, which others have described very well. My main gripe with online is immature idiots/ego-maniacs who ruin the fun for everyone, but just as in LIFE, there are good and bad everywhere.....Call me an optimist but in my experience most folk in this community are decent, friendly and honourable people. When i am shot down by the better pilot (which happens frequently, believe me lol) I will always take the time to congratulate them, and i enjoy the contest no matter the outcome. Unfortunately, not everyone has this outlook, i think you know what I'm talking about hehe

That said, nothing better than flying with people you know don't take themselves or a GAME too seriously, don't get me wrong.....In a co-op you have to too a certain extent, but NOT TOO MUCH! What is the point if not to have fun?

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Old 09-18-2008, 01:47 PM
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reasons:-

whatever you say about ai's behaviour at least you don't have to put up with abuse.

i love offline user made campaigns

devicelink pits work offline- i'm somewhat of a fan of these
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Old 09-18-2008, 01:52 PM
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:00 PM
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:04 PM
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:03 PM
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100% noline at the moment. Might get back to IL-2 at some point, though, in which case it's designing coops 99% of the time and making a drunken arse of myself online every Friday night.
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Old 09-22-2008, 06:06 PM
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20% online (mostly dogfightsservers with almost full switch like Warclouds, playing with two or three mates).
Rest is offline. I have begun one campaing and I see there is A LOT of more campaings to finish..Homever I am a moviemaker too, so most of the time goes in FMB to make mission for videos etc. It´s a long time I did a IL-2 movie, have been doing Lock On movies lately. I have a mission/idea for my next movie though, but it takes time!

Playing offline is fun, but the AI is stupid...or sometimes über..
What I like offline is the freedom to make own missions, fly whatever I want etc. Online is also a lot of fun, more fun if you have some mates on teamspeak covering your ass! If I play alone, I always end up in a furball being shot to pieces by hardcore player. Feel it´s more fun offline as I can choose the skill of the AI. I am not that bad, it´s just that when online, it´s the same persons shooting you down...and they maybe play just online to be good. Sometime I make my own server with only myself and some mates and we often have 2 on 2 battles. That´s a lot more fun than a big server because who know who you shot down! Nothing can beat sneaking up on your friend, shooting off his wing and see him barely bail out and then make a perfect landing collecting 200 points!
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Old 09-22-2008, 06:14 PM
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...Sometime I make my own server with only myself and some mates and we often have 2 on 2 battles. That´s a lot more fun than a big server because who know who you shot down! Nothing can beat sneaking up on your friend, shooting off his wing and see him barely bail out and then make a perfect landing collecting 200 points!

The good thing about this sim is it CAN cater to whatever flavor ice cream you like to eat. Personally, the description you provide of shooting down friends, is exactly why i don't fly just COOPs or closed servers. I get little enjoyment from flying around for a couple hours shooting squaddies. The only time it was fun was when we were having a training session on a closed server and before everyone showed up a couple of us started brawling...I bailed and a squaddie popped me in my chute. We all had a good laugh and even after the rest of the squad showed up we were all so intent on chute-killing each other (and laughing our respective arses off to boot!) that the training never took place. But if all I could do was fly about shooting down my squadmates online I'd quit.

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Old 09-25-2008, 06:57 PM
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no online experience can replicate the anxiety or stress I get when flying a 100+ 'dead-is-dead' missions offline. flying online and furballin' quake style, you expect to die, respawn, die, repeat.. no real feeling of anxiety because there is no consquence to dying like having all of your online stats wiped or having you dofight score reset to zero. don't get me wrong - online is fun and i've flown some wonderful coops but most folks put zero emphasis on staying alive and RTB'ing.
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