Updated RAF FMs in 1.07.18301

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Very good post Ernst. I say Amen to all that.

yeah I tried to write some paltry thing of my own, but ernst pretty much summed it up. I well flown spit Boosting Is a very very hard plane to fight. It was said that a well flown spit could dance around the sky, and that is probably true, the Issue to me is though...that the games spit is too easy to fly, It rolls far too well and has ungodly E retention. you really can't stall it at full power unless you do something drastic...and the Elevator/Ailerons exhibit perfect harmony, unlike real life where the elevator should be more sensitive.

I think If we actually make the Spit a challenge to fly like every plane should be on the edge we would solve our problems

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Ernst

There is so much misunderstanding here. I remember seeing a SPITFIRE Ia manual stating that 12 lbs time limits were 3 minutes.

Now you come here and says its 5 minutes for the IA. There is another manual stating 5 minutes but that was for the IIa i guess. There is so many that use general desinformation and try to using data from other aircraft (IIA) to provide performance of others (IA). Or comparing the best data from one ac with worst of others, or using extra arguments and aproximation much beyond the data to prove their points. The data should talk by themselves with minimal interference of the interpreters.

I do not known but my opinion is that guys complaining about sptifires are noobies because yesterday i found =AN=Felipe's spitfire at 6.5 K and we need 3 109s to shot down him.

The fight lasted almost 10 minutes. The spitfire IIA totally overperformed the 109 high there making loops and barrels rolls while the 109 barely can climb or fly level. If in RL was that way the 109s would have no chance since the BoB fight occured mostly at high altitude, and we known that they were very well matched if we compared the kill/ratios against each other. Someone can say? The Germans have more acs? Ok if you consider the bombers. But fighter vs. fighter they were matched and the british were flying over its territory, the germans had teh fuel problem etc... The truth is, the SPIT accutually in sim is very capable aircraft and certainly well matched with the 109s....

If you have the spits like you want, overperfoming the 109s in every aspect the blue players would give up. Maybe the reds ll feel better historical accuracy shoting 109s at will, killing the 109s in 10 by 1 kill ratio, and flying only against IAs and germans drones. This happened in some IL2 servers after last mods. The servers are killed. If you are blue you have to be extremely sadomasoquist to fly that ultrapack servers. The multiple fms, each one with its own biased fms for one side or other completely destroyed the game...

What do you want in a simplistic way is an all win spitfire model who can zip zap, hang on the prop, barrels rolls like humming bird, rocket climbing, outstanding climbing and energy retention etc... I think you should think yourselves, you are really good pilots? My believe is that you believe spit is that mess because you do not accept defeat and have no humildity to recognize your own fault in your failure.You think you can only be defeated if fighting 3 or 4 109s. If you got defeated by 1 then the game is cheating.

Once i shot down a guy by surprise and he complained: "You shot me down because you got me by surprise. I would expect a chance to fight" And i answered: "Then you suppose i would give you a chance. You are in a spit."

The guys here complain about the spit. I go online and see a complete different situation: Man the spits are very agile, once the pilot sees you and are not a complete noobie is very difficult to put your guns in it, mainly if you are alone. Sometimes they start to whirlwind down there, the only thing they need do to is to pull the elevator as they. They have not to think in a strategy to escape, think about energy, force the adversary to lose their initial energy to after escape in a dive, etc they have just to turn in and endless whirlwinding... So simplistic and ridiculous... However i just accept the performance that i have in the 109 and fly with my brains... Man, is this guys playing the same sim than me?

just my point...

my be the devs would develop two versions of the sim. One for the british commowealth and another for the rest of the world.

People should note that Ernst was one of those in the tiny minority who voted against 100 octane fuelling in bug 174. As a result I take what he says with a pinch of salt.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Osprey

People should note that Ernst was one of those in the tiny minority who voted against 100 octane fuelling in bug 174. As a result I take what he says with a pinch of salt.

Lol tht's all your theory of 100oct available in fighter during BoB that has to be taken "with a pinch of salt".

Your way of re-writting the big and the small history is remarkable ! Wew

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by Osprey

People should note that Ernst was one of those in the tiny minority who voted against 100 octane fuelling in bug 174. As a result I take what he says with a pinch of salt.

Osprey and Robo,

Voted no by the same reason i explained above. Without proper CEM and engine tear/wear people should abuse using boost every time. You should consider others opinion in full not only the part you want, trying to demoralize the person instead to argument against their ideas.

You should attack the ideas not the person. I am in the right to say this since i never attacked you before. And then you decided to discredit my ideas simple attacking my person. If you only want to demoralize others and have no new idea to add to the discussion do not post. This a good topic that i m affraided it ll be derailed by now.

If once a time i attack you personally, i do not remember but i would like to apologize now.

[=AN=Felipe]

Originally Posted by Ernst

I do not known but my opinion is that guys complaining about sptifires are noobies because yesterday i found =AN=Felipe's spitfire at 6.5 K and we need 3 109s to shot down him.

S! Ernst,

First, you guys dont took me down, i land my plane, with damage but i land... lol

So lets talk about this point you bring up in your topic... All performance test i have read tells me one thing, spitfire still under modelated, BUT almost red pilots complain agains 1009s not becouse the spitfire was under performed, its becouse they dont know how to manage the engine settings...

That night we fight a hell of a great battle, i shoot 2 109s down at 23k ft, and apper 2 more and i have to run away and land... How i do that? How can i make barrel rolls at 22k top how can i loop in that altitude...

So... every loop i made, i lost my engine at top, flaps down to help me bring my nose down again and dont stall, to restart my engine again... BUT in result of that i lost about 5k 6k ft to recover and back to fight again.

In that altitude you can compare, spitfire got almost the same climb rate, i just set my engine for better flow of cavalary and acceleration... Thats the point when a Blue pilot fight against a Red Ace, we got the same vantages you got.

I know you are a great fighter pilot, we play togheter a long time, but belive me, in that altitude fighting against a Spitfire IIa in certain hands, its very difficult to win...

I dont want to be arrogant or rude with anyone, but its fact, blue pilots trust too mutch in their planes, this excessive trust maybe will defeat someone maybe not, deppends against you are flying. I belive in two things, gunnery and pilots hands, of course engine performance will help too, but in war we saw this happening, spitfires rocking 109s and vice versa...

We will try to reach a more realistic Spitfire, and of course we want a more realistic 109s, but guys, open you eyes, dont reach a IL2 1946 performance, that simulator SUCKS becouse that unaccurate flightmodels... fact too...

Ill post Spitfire tests soon in this forum, for comparasions... ok?

Cya guys! Cya in skyes!

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by =AN=Felipe

I know you are a great fighter pilot, we play togheter a long time, but belive me, in that altitude fighting against a Spitfire IIa in certain hands, its very difficult to win...

I claim it since 6 years at least... Spit's energy retention gives to it a great advantage at that altitude.

Originally Posted by =AN=Felipe

I dont want to be arrogant or rude with anyone, but its fact, blue pilots trust too mutch in their planes, this excessive trust maybe will defeat someone maybe not, deppends against you are flying. I belive in two things, gunnery and pilots hands, of course engine performance will help too, but in war we saw this happening, spitfires rocking 109s and vice versa...

The first part it's true for both the sides.

Gunnery, yes, but more than pilot's hands it was pilot's IQ. Fatigue modelling, but above all realistic scanning timing and visibility would give the real advantage to the smarter and more disciplined guy, and not to the one who's good with the stick.