Throwing some light on rates of turn

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by drewpee

Dumb question I know but are you positive it was a 109? If it was you were unlucky because the vast majority of 109 pilots just couldn't turn with you now after the patch. Maybe if he had flaps extended but he would not then be able to keep up (at the moment with patch)

not a dumb question at all - it pays to be correct about details like that.
It was a 109. I'm 100% on that
I was on ATAG server, and he was yellownose, crosses on the wings and shooting at me, from about 100-150m back. I had a pretty good view.

I can understand the incredulity. You should have heard me swearing on comms! I was dumbfounded (and cussing a lot) that he could stay with me... my poor squad mates were getting an earful!

Originally Posted by drewpee

pstyle I urge you to go on line and fly a 109 and you will honestly see for your self.

I've flown the 109 I can never get it to do what this guy was doing..... And flown against them plenty enough times to know what they can do (and I've watched them stall out, overshoot etc...)

[ZaltysZ]

At what day and hour that happened?

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

At what day and hour that happened?

Sunday, around mid-day I think.
I wish I had the server info window on now.. and I wish I had recorded it too ;(

[drewpee]

Originally Posted by pstyle

I can understand the incredulity. You should have heard me swearing on comms! I was dumbfounded (and cussing a lot) that he could stay with me... my poor squad mates were getting an earful

LOL ,thats funny. I can just imagine it.

[von Brühl]

Are you sure you were in a max-rate turn in the Spit? Dropping flaps does not automatically guarantee that you are turning beyond the 109's capability.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by von Brühl

Are you sure you were in a max-rate turn in the Spit? Dropping flaps does not automatically guarantee that you are turning beyond the 109's capability.

OK, so max-rate turn usually requires a constant speed and altitude as well, I cannot grantee that. I didn't actually time the turn, and I didn't have the time, nor the measuring tools to calculate my actual (as opposed to indicated) rate against the flying manual. I was certainly turning as fast as I could, both before, and after dropping the flaps.

We've all seen how much of an advantage the Spit 2a has had in this game when turning. I've done it loads of times, drop into a hard turn, and if he still stays with me and I'm getting close to the stall, drop the flaps. This has always shook 109s.

But not this time. It seems there is someone out there who can really coax a 109 in the turn.....

Hey, it might just be my imagination. I might not have been turning very steeply... (I doubt that) because I wasn't broken (I had not been engaged yet, and I was over friendly territory) and I was just on the stall buffet.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by pstyle

I was in a Spit IIa

Was running about 200-230mph when I got bounced by a 109 at about 2,000ft. We both got low and slow fairly quickly.

You were at 230 mph at 2000 feet, and you say that you "got" low and slow? Sorry to say that 230 mph and 2000 feet is already low and slow to begin with.

I dropped flaps and pulled round in a max rate.

Edit: Not to mention that deploying flaps will DECREASE your turn rate, not increase it. How can you be sure you were at max turn rate? I'd bet that you weren't. Min radius is not the same as max rate.

[Al Schlageter]

You must have been really slow as the airbrakes, err flaps, have to up above 120mph.

[gimpy117]

I think the spit pilots are afraid of my G.50. Already Dropping flaps the minute they see an axis aircraft

[JTDawg]

To the question has anybody shot down Mr X , Yes i have! several other 71st, jeepy several times an i'm sure others have to ,but it only happens if your wing man tacktics are good. We have a little saying at 71st ,How many 71st does it take to shoot mr x down we found the number was 6 lol