First Red Tail review..Told ya!

[Ploughman]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The CGI looks top notch....it's just the questionable physics that look awfull, basically the aircraft move like tie fighters.

Yes, the vector thrust on the P-51s...viz the CGI, I noted this from the review:

"mogul’s corner-cutting, do-what-you’re-told influence remains. Nowhere is this more evident than in the whiplash-inducing aerial battles, which feature a number of splendid comic book– style compositions—all those P-51 Mustangs weaving around as if defying gravity—alongside some of the shoddiest-looking digital effects this side of the Syfy Channel’s Dinocroc-Supergator franchise."

[Thee_oddball]

they already made a movie about these guys....how about one about the 442nd (Nisei)

[Ribbs67]

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh
And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..


352ndRibbs

[Herbs107]

Well said Ribbs.. The little news storey below is interesting regarding Mr Lucas.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbu...s-hes-retiring

[ElAurens]

Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of WW2 aviation knew this movie was going to be bad, on many levels.


And just for the sake of historical accuracy...

The 99th. lost 25 B17s that they were escorting, they did not have a perfect record in this regard, unlike the mythology that has built up around them.


Just once I'd like to see a film about WW2 aviation that was as good as Das Boot, and I don't really care which side it would be about.

[Richie]

I think any thing now that has a prayer of being accurate has do be made independently or made in another country. I thought this little film wasn't bad as far as historic value and lets say lack of Hollywood SIS-BOOM-BAH let's getm team stuff. They were stationed in North Africa witch was different and the 109s were right on camouflage wise and shape. They look like JG52 G10s. Too early for those I think but they look good.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558575/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y83r...1&feature=plcp

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Ribbs67

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh

On a general line I agree, but it still surprises me how, with all the "experts" out there, they still manage to make gross mistakes (i.e. the colours/models of Bf109s in the movie).

And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..


352ndRibbs

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Ribbs67

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh
And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..


352ndRibbs

Sorry if anything came over the wrong way. My post probably sounded more negative then it was intended to be. The basic assertion stil stands, however, not as a slab, but simply because it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

On a general line I agree, but it still surprises me how, with all the "experts" out there, they still manage to make gross mistakes (i.e. the colours/models of Bf109s in the movie).

The sad part is, those changes are most likely intentional, exactly because there so many experts out there.
Then again, if you look at Lucas film making records, most movies are of the simple kind, more catering to a naive, younger or family target group. Strong soundtracks, simple black and white views with a clear message and in the end the good guys win. It's a feel good movie for a the average guys, not WW2 experts. I suppose with the ongoing financial crisis this is exactly what a lot of people need right now.
As said before, think Indiana Jones or Star Wars here and you will "get" this movie.

[Kodoss]

7 minutes trailer...


for thouse who might be disapointed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8D6zwQhxs

it's only a movie.

PS: has anyone of you noticed the oil-brake on the harley?

Edit: found in the wides of the net...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVDbBaC2254

[Kodoss]

nice docu of tuskegee airmen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwFNPXqSIM