Ki-43-II Kai is actually a -III model?

[taly001]

I think team "Greybeard" made a correct Ki-43-IIB, but I don't know if they ever got TD to add it. The current il2 Ki-43-II Kai has the wrong performance and wrong 3D model!?

Each improved version of Ki-43 added about 10-15kph. The Ki-43-III actually matches the late model Zero A6M5s.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by taly001

I think team "Greybeard" made a correct Ki-43-IIB, but I don't know if they ever got TD to add it.

Many mod teams don't like DT and don't share their work with them.

I enjoy the modded version of IL2 for the vast variety of aircraft available, but I like the official version because of the vastly improved AI which was introduced in 4.13.

Originally Posted by taly001

Each improved version of Ki-43 added about 10-15kph. The Ki-43-III actually matches the late model Zero A6M5s.

I've always gotten the impression that the Ki-43 had a slightly better roll and turn rate than the Zero, but much less potential to upgrade the airframe and armament. I'm also not sure if the Ki-43 ever suffered from the problem of heavy controls at high speeds.

Those features make the Ki-43-III an unusual aircraft for a late war fighter - a vicious turn fighter, but very little punch so you have to choose your shots carefully.

[taly001]

Those features make the Ki-43-III an unusual aircraft for a late war fighter - a vicious turn fighter, but very little punch so you have to choose your shots carefully.

The JAAF failures to make the Ki-61 reliable and the problems sorting out the Ki-84 kept the Ki-43 in service 2 years past its use by date. Nakajima factories didn't fully change to Ki-84 production until 9/1944. But Tachikawa factories kept making Ki-43-III.

Its really challenging to fly in Il2 as you need to drag the enemy AI into a turn or climb where they lose speed, I once had a 40 minute dogfight Ki-43-II vs a AI P47D-10, I kept climbing and dodging and eventually I suckered him into loosing enough speed for me to nail him.

The simplest fix for the il2 Ki-43-II Kai would be to rename it -III and do a -III flight model tweak. The -III was used at Iwo Jima by 23rd Sentai in 2/45 and Okinawa 4/45 by at least 6 Sentai's so it actually suits il2 default map sets.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by taly001

The simplest fix for the il2 Ki-43-II Kai would be to rename it -III and do a -III flight model tweak.

But the old, incorrect Ki-43 model would have to be retained, for the same reason that the old, incorrect P-40 models must be retained.

Another solution would be to do a small amount of 3D work to give the Ki-43-II Kai the correct exhaust stacks, since I don't think that doing so would require a new skin template.

The existing Ki-43 model could be converted into a new aircraft like you suggested.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by taly001

Its really challenging to fly in Il2 as you need to drag the enemy AI into a turn or climb where they lose speed, I once had a 40 minute dogfight Ki-43-II vs a AI P47D-10, I kept climbing and dodging and eventually I suckered him into loosing enough speed for me to nail him.

I'd love to see a track of that fight! You must have killed the pilot or cut the control cables to get the kill. Otherwise, the P-47 would just shrug off all those light machine gun rounds.

[taly001]

I'd love to see a track of that fight! You must have killed the pilot or cut the control cables to get the kill. Otherwise, the P-47 would just shrug off all those light machine gun rounds.

I should have saved the .trk definitely my most epic fight ever. Best it also happened in a proper mission, the P47D-10 followed my Ki-43-II in a very long climbing turn then i noticed he began to fall back, I was able to flip the little Hayabusa around and got a long burst into his cockpit & engine from the high 4 O'clock at ~150m range and he went down.

But the old, incorrect Ki-43 model would have to be retained, for the same reason that the old, incorrect P-40 models must be retained.

Both Ki-43 and P-40 series deserve some work as they came in many variants over many years, both having ~40mph improvement from early to late models! A Ki-43-III needs a P-40N for company!

[shelby]

i found this also
https://www.scribd.com/document/2113...Hayabusa-Oscar

[shelby]

and more details
https://www.scribd.com/document/3303...busa-Oscar-pdf

[taly001]

and more details https://www.scribd.com/document/3303...busa-Oscar-pdf

Interesting found out that the small cylinder under the fuselage of late model Ki-43 is a fuel cooler!

Pictures of early model II seem to have the longer pointed tip wings.....although Aero Detail claim all II had the shorter rounder tip wing?

[shelby]

Originally Posted by taly001

Interesting found out that the small cylinder under the fuselage of late model Ki-43 is a fuel cooler!

Pictures of early model II seem to have the longer pointed tip wings.....although Aero Detail claim all II had the shorter rounder tip wing?

To find the truth check the burnido book