Historical insignia ...

[ChrisDNT]

If the aircrafts are "skin-able" in SOW, a very simple solution would be to choose an historically-correct selfmade skin and to have some lines of code applying this skin to all the German aircraft in the game, better than nothing and totally out of reach of these stupid laws.

[Lensman_1]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

When the 109 blows up in front of a payer in stunning near photo-realism I can just hear him groan, as he notices for the first time there are no realistic signage.

Ha! Yep ... good point. But in the UK at least, 60 years of Airfix modelling, book covers, TV programmes and films, aircraft museums and children's games have all conditioned the population to EXPECT to see those markings on WWII Luftwaffe aircraft. Especially when they're not rapidly and dynamically deconstructing themselves in mid-air but are instead in level flight in a formation or indeed parked at one's own French airfield.

I should point out that I was really looking for a YES/NO on this question and I'm sorry if I've stirred up an old and worn debate. I do at least know the answer now.

[Lensman_1]

One supplementary question please that genuinely interests me and perhaps someone who knows can provide the answer.

if NSDAP insignia and markings are illegal in COD in Germany and Russia then why is there a loophole that allows motion pictures to bypass that law. For example Valhalla, Downfall or Battle of Britain etc etc. If they are excluded on artistic merit then why is not a historically accurate pc simulation also exluded? it seems like double standards.
Or is it because with a film the autthorities see the full context of the usage in advance whereas in a sim it's more dynamic?
Finally, swastikas or not, I can't remember anyone but the WWII luiftwaffe using ME110s or flying 109s out of France so in terms of referencing the NSDAP (who were definitely dictating usage) isn't that identical? It all seems maddeningly illogical to me but I'll shut up now.

[JG53Frankyboy]

easy solution, fly for the III/JG53

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Lensman_1

One supplementary question please that genuinely interests me and perhaps someone who knows can provide the answer.

if NSDAP insignia and markings are illegal in COD in Germany and Russia then why is there a loophole that allows motion pictures to bypass that law. For example Valhalla, Downfall or Battle of Britain etc etc. If they are excluded on artistic merit then why is not a historically accurate pc simulation also exluded? it seems like double standards.
Or is it because with a film the autthorities see the full context of the usage in advance whereas in a sim it's more dynamic?
Finally, swastikas or not, I can't remember anyone but the WWII luiftwaffe using ME110s or flying 109s out of France so in terms of referencing the NSDAP (who were definitely dictating usage) isn't that identical? It all seems maddeningly illogical to me but I'll shut up now.

I do not know what the law in Russia says but in Germany it's simple: The law says the swastika is forbidden. That's the basic principle.

But then it lists a number of exceptions: art (i.e. movies), education, research and science (books and documentations). Computer games (just like scale models for example) are considered toys regardless of the attention to details their creator paid and various court decisions since the 1970s have hardened that principle. Which means computer games cannot depict the swastika or they're automatically banned (not censored, banned) in Germany.

[Lensman_1]

Thanks csThor.
That's the informative answer I was hoping for.
i think we're done here now.

[Foo'bar]

First the victors prohibited us to use it any longer and now they complain about that we don't want to use it any more.

Strange...

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

First the victors permitted us to use it any longer and now they complain about that we don't want to use it any more.

Strange...

Ah Foo check what you wrote it is not "permitted" but prohibit

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by csThor

You're still surprised, Luke? Sheesh ...

Oh, not at all. I just merely chuckle when these types of threads come up.

[Lensman_1]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Oh, not at all. I just merely chuckle when these types of threads come up.

Hey ... I just wanted to know if the software that I've just spent £100 on (2 copies) and installed 2 new GTX580 gpus for (£900) will look right.