I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[Codex]

And they all told me the new FM wouldn't make a difference in the way allied pilots fly ... geez I hate being right.

[ElAurens]

My only issue is that the 1942 models still have negative G stalling problems. It is my understanding that by 1942 this issue was really fixed.

On the whole I'd rather fly a P 40.

[Tempest123]

Yeah I noticed that too, "Ms shillings oriface" doesnt seem to do much.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Tempest123

Yeah I noticed that too, "Ms shillings oriface" doesnt seem to do much.

ROTFL

[SUP / Revan]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

I couldn't wait for this moment since years...

And it's only the begin!!!

quoto, quoto

[fruitbat]

To me the only thing that feels off and way off at that, is the position of the aerilon trim tabs. it always wants to roll, but the opposite way to the torque. At full power it almost reaches the position of not rolling due to the torque, but at any sort of cruise settings the roll is amplified, due to the reduced torque to cancel it out.

still easy to fight in, just much harder to do formation in.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

My only issue is that the 1942 models still have negative G stalling problems. It is my understanding that by 1942 this issue was really fixed.

On the whole I'd rather fly a P 40.

wasn't fixed until the merlin 61, in the first MkIX, and was slightly better again by the merlin 66 (SU carb vs the Bendix stromburg carb)

[Azimech]

The russian Lend-Lease spits/hurri's didn't receive that kit. And the kit only worked at full throttle. Nice though, the streaks of black smoke in 4.10. I often see them appear and for a moment I think someone has shot that plane, but it's just the dumb AI doing the negative G's. That's another reason engines had to warm up before take off, you flood that cold block with a sea of petrol and you've got fouled sparky's in no time.

If I had it my way, those engines would've gotten fuel injection right away. No chargecooling in the supercharger that way, but there's nothing wrong with MW50.

[Sven]

ahhh what a feeling, that just made my day

Someone moaning about the new Spitfire FM, excellent just excellent! Keep going guys, we axis flyers watch from a distance in an old man's chair with a can of coke, popcorn and laughing

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

To me the only thing that feels off and way off at that, is the position of the aerilon trim tabs. it always wants to roll, but the opposite way to the torque. At full power it almost reaches the position of not rolling due to the torque, but at any sort of cruise settings the roll is amplified, due to the reduced torque to cancel it out.

still easy to fight in, just much harder to do formation in.

Bingo. The elevator trim being needing much more positive input for keeping the nose level is based on credible sources. I do wonder about the aileron neutral trim value tho.

Real spit pilots used to have their ailerons manually trimmed by their 'chiefy' - in the earlier spits with fabric ailerons a piece of cord was doped onto the trailing edge of the aileron on the wing that was dropping too much, thereby causing that aileron to droop slightly and thus lift the wing. How much depended on the length (and therefore weight) of the cord. A system of trial and error was used to get the balance about right.

With the metal ailerons, this was considered a bit old fashioned, and instead the 'chiefy' would give the offending aileron a few hearty wallops with a hide-faced hammer to bend it. If that didn't work, they'd swap round ailerons till they found a pair that gave the pilot the best compromise in the speed range he was happiest. - paraphrasing Tom Neil, Spitfire: From The Cockpit ISBN 0-7110-1918-5

Now, to my taste, the 4.09 had this about right. The spits level cruise about 220mph - 250 mph and that's where i'd want my aileron neutral; below the torque is stonger and you get left wing drop; above and the airflow effect overcomes the torque and you get right wing drop.

At the moment in 4.10 it seems to be down below even the 180mph mark and that means you get substantial *right* wing drop throughout the combat range and even on a shallow climb out - which feels wrong, with the addition that this characteristic effects no other aircraft in game; no other aircraft are neutrally trimmed this way in game, and in all my years of researching spitfire flight behavior I have never seen 'pronounced right-wing drop across all marks across majority of speed range' written anywhere.

If only Il-2 had a 'chiefy'; I'd have him bashing my Spits ailerons!