min specs for SOW

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by furbs

..as you can see by my list, we have a long way to go.

what private personal list do you think is a failsafe measure to judge the progress of a sim you have only had small glimpses at over the last years ? i am not trying to be facetious there, but i have the exact opposite perspective to your personal opinion

iirc it is at the start of this year oleg indicated the sub-components of the sim were largely finished (dynamic campaign engine, scenery, weather, damage models, plane models, AI behavior, flight physics modeling etc..), and he at that point was in the progress of integrating them (a very different way of working to other programmers, largely skipping the alpha stage). have a look back at foobar's website to get an overview of the WiP updates we have had since then, focusing on just weekly shots might make you loose perspective of the amount of work that has already been completed.

oleg also stated that many parts of the sim you (we) wont get to see until right before release time so his competitors need more time to respond to his quantum leap and dont get a leg up on him to quickly. there have also been repeated statements by oleg he has to release this year for financial reasons and is aiming for the BoB anniversary date as a target. even if there are some minor glitches and postponements from that, it still leaves more then 3 months for him to release it in the boom pre xmass sales period. oleg also stated he personally is already working on the next project for after BoB, so his crew can continue working and dont need to be laid off, plus he is relaxed enough to go on hollidays, doesnt sound like a man who is panicking to me.

do we know for SURE it will be released later this yr, nope, but then nothing in life is sure. statistically speaking in the UK nearly 20 people every year die while getting out of bed, another 70 or so will die because they slip down the stairs on their way to get breakfast, etc.. does that mean you personally will succeed in surviving long enough tomorrow morning to eat your cornflakes, let alone make it all the way to work alive ? none of us can predict that for you with 100% certainty, but on the balance of all probabilities you will. and that is about how well we can judge the release of BoB this year, we know the work that has been done, we know roughly the stage it is at, and we know the pressures oleg's team is under to release it, so right now odds are we WILL have it before xmass.

..... but we still haven't seen any of those things on Furbs list, and Oleg stated recently no work has been done on bridges yet, you have to use a little common sense here, this is not whining or complaining it is purely an observation.

[furbs]

From what ive seen in regular updates over the last 12 months, the progress rate from what we started with to what we are seeing now or NOT seeing, seems to me to say that Oleg and his team would be very hard pushed to get a release this year without dropping alot of features.

again this is just my thoughts...i really hope we get to see SOW in 2010 as im sure it will be ground breaking and set a new standard for flight sims.

[hellbomber]

if doubt that a 5870 and an i7 at 4.0 will max sow then you must be dreaming, i havent found a single game yet that i couldn't get at least 80fps on a 1920 x1200 all maxed with ample aa and af to boot, i can also run most latest releases at max res and with 2x aa on a 6000 x 1200 eyefinity set up, doesnt really matter what the specs are if u got a 5870 and i7 920 your good to go, who cares if u cant max every last fing detail.. bottom line is the game will run like butter with high settings

and even if it didnt theres not a hell of alot more you can do. maybey pop in 2 5870's or a 5970, but alot of games crossfire doesnt really do a whole lot, sometimes it doesnt help at all, and you wont find much more powerful than i7 unless you want to spend $1200 on a 980x which is insane, so bottom line is that system is about as good as it gets.. you could wait for an ATI 6000 series supposedly wil be here in december, if u havent upgraded yet i would wait for that GPU will give you the most bang for the buck

[furbs]

Hellbomber...i hope your right but i think SOW is going to be a whole new ball game

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

1. Why is it 'Safe' to presume that you will be able to run SOW on higher settings with this spec PC, you are completely guessing, at this moment in time we have seen no high res video with multiple aircraft flying over a city. Its impossible for you to make that statement. Of course you could be right, but you simply dont know.

this has already has been extensively discussed in another thread here recently, and there are a number of specific reasons why that generalization i made there indeed likely to be correct

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

2. There have been no indications that SOW will be released this year,.

you persistently seem incapable to process normal logical information in a rational manner. "indications" of release time are based on oleg's stated intent at the beginning of this year on meeting the BoB anniversary date, the financial pressure the company is under to release without additional delays, and that the last 9 months of weekly screenshots and video's show the project coming together nicely (with a few glitches, which is to be expected for a project as complex as this)

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Take a re-look at this list that Furbs compiled of the things we haven't seen,

most points there are largely irrelevant, try and use some critical thought based on known facts instead

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

and Oleg stated recently no work has been done on bridges yet, you have to use a little common sense here, this is not whining or complaining it is purely an observation.

wow geez thats really a show stopper aint it !!

lets see, there is probably roughly 100 to 150 bridges needed for major roads on the southern english part of the BoB map. if they are to be placed manually by hand (3 clicks of the mouse ?) i would say a single person can probably place almost 100 of those on a map in a single day

lol so 3 or 4 days work for a single person to do the whole BoB map

anything else that is keeping you awake at night worrying about ?

Well historically speaking Oleg has said on more than one occasion that he 'wants and needs' to release SOW in, 2007, 2008 and 2009, so Im guessing that 2010 'could' go the same way as the previous years, but again hopefully i am wrong. As for the bridges you maybe right, a couple of days work, but it does somewhat defeat your argument that everything else is done and finished.

If SOW is released this year i will eat your grubby shorts, if it isn't will you eat mine?

[furbs]

Originally Posted by zapatista

this has already has been extensively discussed in another thread here recently, and there are a number of specific reasons why that generalization i made there indeed likely to be correct

you persistently seem incapable to process normal logical information in a rational manner. "indications" of release time are based on oleg's stated intent at the beginning of this year on meeting the BoB anniversary date, the financial pressure the company is under to release without additional delays, and that the last 9 months of weekly screenshots and video's show the project coming together nicely (with a few glitches, which is to be expected for a project as complex as this)




most points there are largely irrelevant, try and use some critical thought based on known facts instead

irrelevant?? if you review all the updates over the last 12 months the ONLY thing i can see thats almost finished is the plane models and some of them still need more work(weathering on most of the types)

When we start seeing finished screens of updates(everything on screen is not WIP or placeholders) in DX11 then we can guess we are maybe a few months away from release.

I would love you to be right...im looking forward to SOW just as much as anyone.

[icuucme37]

Must of had a brain fart when i started this thread and not list the graphics card. As you can see I edited now with it listed.
Someone said to wait untill SOW releases, then upgrade computer, but seeing how old computer went up in smoke, that is not a option.

New computer specs are............Window 7

Radeon ATI HD5770 1 gig card

Intel Core i7-920 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Low Voltage Desktop Memory

ASUS Rampage II GENE Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 750GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

OCZ Promod 600w 2 rail SATA, PCI-e ready power supply