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08-06-2010, 05:04 AM
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Rakinroll, what do you mean? A VVS pilot, even a decorated Hero of the Soviet Union, gives critics to Russian designs and that should be neglected? How about an aircraft mechanic one of squad member knew..this guy had been an IL-2 mechanic during war and said the engine on it was crap. After a few flights it was a heap of scrap and needed to be changed. But usually the plane was just put aside as at that point production kept up more than enough with losses etc. Memoirs can be used to supplement other data, not as factual data. Can be quite interesting at times to see how they differ or match. There are not many Russian pilot memoirs translated floating around, so very interesting to read them. 
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08-06-2010, 05:57 AM
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with anything internet based, i do have a slight question as to its authenticity, but for that matter little gems like this keep my interest in this forum. nice work.
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08-06-2010, 06:26 AM
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"Infantry was not covered by AAA, soldiers had to fight strong wind blowing them into the faces, so they were not looking at the sky, and that same wind did not allow them to hear my engine. I simply pressed the trigger and saw blue traces disappearing in the column. When first soldiers disappeared under the nose of my Il I released bombs. That time my bomb bays were loaded with 16 AO-25 fragmentation bombs with a delay set for 5 seconds. I kept firing, but there was no end to this mass of infantry, so I fired all eight RSs"
Killing humans has never been so dispassionate. Imagine the havoc created on the ground, I doubt every soldier hit died instantly. A subtle reminder of the mindset required to do this grim work day after day.
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08-06-2010, 11:08 AM
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It's true, dirty tricks are used all the time in war, at least in this case it was used against combat forces and not civilians. Let's bear in mind however that WWII, especially in the east, was a totally different and much more brutal affair than the "clean" and sanitized version we have today.
For example, i don't know how i would react if an opposing military force had declared all the people in my country as only being suitable for slave labor and extinction and set out to accomplish just that. Eventually, this is the vicious circle of human nature...the more brutality one receives, the more of it he's ready to dish out. In this sense we don't differ much from dogs  Going silent on the attack run is practiced today as well. My country has a mix of professional and conscript soldiers (conscripts are the majority) and i served for a year as an AA gunner in the air force. When we were training in boot camp we had about 11 roll-calls/assemblies during the day for various reasons. If it was time to eat we assembled and marched to the mess hall, if it was time for the guard duty briefing we assembled and marched to the guard control center and so on. During our training there were frequent visits by F-16 block 50/52 units and during one of those times i actually, truly realized how powerless a foot soldier is against the air force. We were assembled and about to march out, when i suddenly caught a silhouette with my peripheral vision. Turning my eyes to see better, i could clearly make out a F-16 making a mock attack run against our assembled company. It was less than a kilometer away and that thing was freaking silent as a sleeping baby! I suppose they used to come in low, pop up a little further away from us and then dove in with the engine at idle and you couldn't hear a thing until he was less than 500m from us, by which time he would already have dropped whatever he wanted on our heads. Scary 
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08-06-2010, 05:23 PM
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Speaking of attacks by airplane - in late 80's I worked for pocket money at Fornosovo railway station for a couple of summers, unloading incoming carts. I did not know that this station was used for training purposes by ShAP from Siverskaya. When I once raised my head towards sky and saw a falling planes at me, I shited my pants... Those were Su-22s or something, and they scared me to death... But two month later I didn't even look at the sky when I heard jet engine sound.
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08-06-2010, 05:29 PM
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08-06-2010, 06:50 PM
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08-06-2010, 09:20 PM
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former airfield Kamenka http://wikimapia.org/#lat=60.0547307...6&z=12&l=1&m=b former AB Borki http://wikimapia.org/#lat=59.9452968...3&z=13&l=1&m=b former AB Gora-Valday http://wikimapia.org/#lat=59.9666111...7&z=13&l=1&m=b Bottleneck Sinyavino http://wikimapia.org/#lat=59.9040903...2&z=11&l=1&m=b Rakvere http://wikimapia.org/#lat=59.3356409...6&z=11&l=1&m=b Volosovo-Narva road where incident discussed above took place http://wikimapia.org/#lat=59.4031612...5&z=10&l=1&m=b Last edited by FPSOlkor; 08-06-2010 at 09:25 PM.
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08-07-2010, 11:00 AM
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Thanks for the links Olkor, interesting read. Comparing these interviews/books from all sides and to historical sources gives quite a good picture on certain things. And can bring up new information. The saying "which design was not done in prison" has some truth behind it in the Soviet system. Stalin is idolised even today as a great and glorious leader but even Lenin had said that J.S. should never be given any power. Well he got it anyway after Lenin's death and results are history. He wiped out countless of his own people in the "purges" and mass relocations, killed many of top military brass in the 1937 "cleansing" and replaced them etc. The totalitarian regime of the Stalin's era was not any better than Germany's at the time. The flags were different but the methods the same: propaganda and strict "surveillance" kept people in check. Anyways, back to topic. Keep those links coming.
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