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Old 10-23-2009, 06:15 PM
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Dont worry about it, and just come in and play. I suck with the gun too, but I have a blast. Most my kills are like you said, shooting them up but not being able to keep them in the sites long enough for the final blow, just so someone else comes in with the final shot. I don't care, it's still a kill, And I know I contributed at least. That said, most my kills are forced crashes. I mentioned in another thread that I wished there was some way to put a point system on that, but there really isn't a good way. I have crashed enemy into the ground, cliff sides, etc more times than I can count. I got them off my butt, and it is a kill even though there is no point system for that. So, come fly with us anyway.. I think most here reconize the contributions, even though the points board says we are loosers.. lol..

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Chromly steel? Is that a chrome alloy? Russia had no aluminum? Wow, didn't know that. I've been using The La7 lately because it gives me a chance. The bad thing is only 2 guns. Gunnery is my worst attribute so I have to hose them down for like 5 minutes (mostly hitting sky) before they go down, or I damage them and someone else finishes them and I don't get credit. Last night I won 2 consecutive dogfights with it and I was thrilled! My first wins in dogfight! Although the competition was only fair, a win is a win. I need a shit load more practise before even getting in a match with you turkies. There was a p51d in one of the matches and I felt like crap shooting him down. It was too easy! That pisses me off more than anything else about this great game. What they've done to one of the greatest aircraft in history (along with the great FW190) is blasphamy!!! No excuses!!! They are worthless in the game. The La7 sure isn't, though.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:29 PM
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I read that thread! Awesome! Flying through streets and river beds and such? Awesome! That would be GREAT to fly somebody into the ground!
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Old 10-23-2009, 08:24 PM
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Chromly steel? Is that a chrome alloy? Russia had no aluminum? Wow, didn't know that. I've been using The La7 lately because it gives me a chance. The bad thing is only 2 guns. Gunnery is my worst attribute so I have to hose them down for like 5 minutes (mostly hitting sky) before they go down, or I damage them and someone else finishes them and I don't get credit. Last night I won 2 consecutive dogfights with it and I was thrilled! My first wins in dogfight! Although the competition was only fair, a win is a win. I need a shit load more practise before even getting in a match with you turkies. There was a p51d in one of the matches and I felt like crap shooting him down. It was too easy! That pisses me off more than anything else about this great game. What they've done to one of the greatest aircraft in history (along with the great FW190) is blasphamy!!! No excuses!!! They are worthless in the game. The La7 sure isn't, though.
Chromoly Steel, is just a really lightweight and all around more durable "aluminum" and steel. It was lighter than most steels at the time, and more durable than aluminum which made it the perfect Russian product, they could get on their own rather than having to ship it from the US or Britain etc.

And yesterday, I went up against three P-51D5s in Training with an La-7; and none of them could put a round in my plane. It was way fun because I would catch them in a turn and while climbing (which kinda surprised me at the climbing part.) I think if either of those went up against one another D5 (not a D10) and La-7 would be a cool match in real life.

@Turdop15: Since the Yaks didn't have a head plate which restricted visibility anyway, not only protection. They put bullet proof glass in its place behind the pilots head. Now whether it worked well or not, that's a question for Nikolai Dimitrievich Gulayev (3rd highest Soviet Ace of WW2).

From the story about him that I've read and heard, he was flying his La-5 over Stalingrad with his IAP (Can't remember the exact number of IAP he was in?), and they were jumped by a flight of FW190As who were on patrol as well. To make a long story short, Nikolai survived two head wounds (different times in the war). His first head wound was at Stalingrad flying his La-5, and the later on, when was flying a Yak-3 and got hit by a 190 again. It actually protected him once again nearer to the end of the war, when he was flying again a Yak-3, and a 109G6 (or G10?) got on his tail, and a cannon round actually cracked the bullet proof glass behind him, but didn't actually enter the cockpit!
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:02 PM
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It's steel alloyed with chromium and molybdenum. It's the stuff almost every old bicycle is made of.
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:49 PM
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Chrome! I thought so. Hey Soviet Ace, where are you? Your extremely knowledgable on at least the Russian aircraft. I take it your of Russian background. I used to work with a guy from Russia. His name was Vladamir. Real thick accent. One helluva nice guy! The guy was so happy to be in America!! He didn't ever want to go back home for any reason. Anyway, I'll be flying the LA7 in dogfights until my skill improves. Even in it, I have a problem with Spits.
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:55 PM
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Chrome! I thought so. Hey Soviet Ace, where are you? Your extremely knowledgable on at least the Russian aircraft. I take it your of Russian background. I used to work with a guy from Russia. His name was Vladamir. Real thick accent. One helluva nice guy! The guy was so happy to be in America!! He didn't ever want to go back home for any reason. Anyway, I'll be flying the LA7 in dogfights until my skill improves. Even in it, I have a problem with Spits.
No, I'm not Russian. I'm half-Italian actually, and know more on Italian planes in WW2 than Russian planes. But considering there is only 1 Italian plane in the whole game. I don't talk about it much since no one really flies it, and neither do I because of the crummy performance it was given. (The MC202, did not perform like in BoP. Sorry to say it, but it's true.)

And the reason I know a lot about Russian planes, is because they were a nation in WW2, that concentrated more on TnB fighters than BnZ fighters which I like. But I'm pretty knowledgeable all around. More places than others of course.
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:26 PM
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I think the Italian plane looks cool. But, I just don't get it. I wouldn't fly it simply because of it's camo. I mean, I guess it would blend right in if it were flying in a flock of orange lepards.. lol.. But, it looks cool..
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:30 PM
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Hahahahaha! Yeah, I gotta admit the Italians are a bit underrepresented! The 2 machine guns on the Macci just suck, for me anyway. But I can't shoot! Irun an experiment a week ago. I had 2 BOP games at the house so I borrowed a PS3 from one of my sons friends and, ahum, cheated a little. I won the b17 and then started experimenting shooting it down with all the fighters to see which palnes had the best firepower and which planes weren't so good. The best? bf109g-6 blew it to hell. Awesome firepower. The worst? Stuka. The front firing MGs are worthless. It took 5 minutes, I swear of direct gunfire to bring down the 17. I also used a bf109e-3 as a target with same results. I discoverd the cannons are the best weapon (other than the il2 MGs, which are rediculesly powerful) The Macci was among the worst. The Russian planes were in the middle, not the best, not the worst. The p47 is also damn good. The 51 and spits are fair and even with the Russian planes. I'm rambling here and should be working!
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:37 PM
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Dig this. I've been a WW2 aircraft buff since I was a kid. I have an entire bookshelf on these planes dating back to the sixties. Yeah, I'm a little up there in age. Going to an excellent airshow this weekend. I have a book called Aircraft of WW2. It is full of specs, production data, models, armament, performance data, dash numbers. Everything. Copyright 1973. Author Bill Gunston. 47 aircraft listed. I will quote it reguarding the LA7:

In late 1941 Lavochkins team fitted a LAGG-3 of the latest type with a powewrful radial engine. The result was a great success, performance being transformed and especially at high altitudes. The aircraft went into production as the LA-5. By late 1942 the LA-5 was being called the wooden savior of Stalingrad. Lavachkin was given a Stalin prize and his bureau was moved into the gigantic Aircraft Factory no. 21. By 1943 a more powerful FN series engine, with direct fuel injection, was being fitted. An intense effort was mounted to reduce weight, and light alloy (aluminum) Was substituted for the wooden wing spar, though the extra space was not used for fuel. By the end of 1943 production switched to the outstanding LA7, with a supercharger and oil cooler fed by ram inlets in the wing roots and under the rear fuselage. Weight saving resulted in reduced fuel capacity and armament.
BY LATE 1943 THE LA7 WAS PROBABLY THE BEST DOGFIGHTER IN THE WORLD, AND IT WAS SELECTED BY ALMOST ALL THE SOVIET ACES.

Ha!! More later. I'm goin to bed. Maybe the devs got it right!
WoW you sound like my history teacher...which is a good thing. But ya, totally agree.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:41 PM
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The major problem with the Macchi 202, is that it stalls WAY to easy. And from what I've read, and been told by my grandfather who actually flew them in WW2. They were a very well handling and stable plane. So the constant stalls, shouldn't happen. And I've tried turning the sensitivity on the ailerons and elevators to different positions, but still get that terrible stalling.
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