Why is everyone so surprised that a Russain company made the American planes suck?

[Smidlee]

It has been mention here that according to history the JU87 B-2 were easy to shoot down yet in the game they are a lot tougher. So you theory does not hold water.

[MorgothNL]

akuma... how old are you? really.. I want to know
and also, in what world do you live?

MW2 yeah? that is quite in BOP's ally isnt it?

the flight model isnt screwed up! (the same as the IL-2 pc version!!!), the made another error and FIXED it.

you throw your ignorance and ranting in some one elses' face

[akuma]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

akuma... how old are you? really.. I want to know
and also, in what world do you live?

MW2 yeah? that is quite in BOP's ally isnt it?

the flight model isnt screwed up! (the same as the IL-2 pc version!!!), the made another error and FIXED it.

you throw your ignorance and ranting in some one elses' face

30

The real one

And the facts speak for themselves.

P51's suck and IL's are massively over spec'd, why is this such a shocking thing to say?

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by akuma

30

The real one

And the facts speak for themselves.

P51's suck and IL's are massively over spec'd, why is this such a shocking thing to say?

Could you plz just note the fact that 'they admitted it, and fixed it. and that the flight model is not the error'.

then we are done with this thread, because that counters all your statements.

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by akuma

Lets break your answer down;

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

As far as I can tell, there are indeed many, many unhappy customers constantly complaining about the P51-D, sales haven't been off the scale, and lets face it, the servers aren't exactly briming with people!

Yes there are indeed now scrabbling to fix it, because with major games like MW2 coming out, if they ignore there fan base too much they'll find completely empty servers and nobody buying the DLC. Remember most of the buyers are in fact western based.

I think you are under estimating national pride though, these guys are not sim novices, they know what they are doing, there is no way the could "accidently" completely and utterly screw up such an important flight model.

Yea, let's make the P-51 perform how people "think" it should perform - based on myth and pride. Great idea, so we can whore the game out to please the ignorant to increase sales.

Grow up.

This is the problem with our country. Too many who think EVERYTHING America does is golden and perfect:

I guess if they made a tank sim you'd expect sherman tanks to withstand a few rounds from tiger tanks and be able to take tiger tanks out with one shot?

But guess what, the Sherman tank sucked. Many Shermans were destroyed for every Tiger tank destroyed.

This is fact - deal with it.

The P-51 had great high alt performance and superior range for escort missions - but was not a plane for low-alt turning fights and could not climb with or away from the german or russian planes at low alt.

This is fact - deal with it.

If you want the P-51 to fly how most casual American historians think it would fly - it would out turn bi-planes, break the sound barrier, and be an arcade game joke.

Apparently you need to play HOE. HOE whored itself out for consumption by the ignorant. This is the game you are asking for. Enjoy.

[akuma]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

Yea, let's make the P-51 perform how people "think" it should perform - based on myth and pride. Great idea, so we can whore the game out to please the ignorant to increase sales.

Grow up.

This is the problem with our country. Too many who think EVERYTHING America does is golden and perfect:

I guess if they made a tank sim you'd expect sherman tanks to withstand a few rounds from tiger tanks and be able to take tiger tanks out with one shot?

But guess what, the Sherman tank sucked. Many Shermans were destroyed for every Tiger tank destroyed.

This is fact - deal with it.

The P-51 had great high alt performance and superior range for escort missions - but was not a plane for low-alt turning fights and could not climb with or away from the german or russian planes at low alt.

This is fact - deal with it.

If you want the P-51 to fly how most casual American historians think it would fly - it would out turn bi-planes, break the sound barrier, and be an arcade game joke.

Apparently you need to play HOE. HOE whored itself out for consumption by the ignorant. This is the game you are asking for. Enjoy.

Now take everything you just said and apply it to the IL serise of planes, and strangely enough it seems the IL planes have been up spec'd to the legendary status the Russian have been brought up to beleive it was.

I'm not engineer, but if I put 30+ cannon rounds through an IL-10 wing, its coming off, simple as, but does it in the game, no.

[mattmanB182]

Similar to the Stuka, the IL-2 needs air superiority to survive. There was NO armor at all for the rear gunner on the IL-2, they had horrid casualty rates.

This is why I get so frustrated that the rear gunner is invincible when im shooting it with my BF-109G6. 3 Cannon and 2MG's cant kill a rear gunner with no protection. However, I am able to get under the rear of the IL-2 and waste it with the 109. I do believe it is QUITE A BIT over statted, but there are some ways around it.

To be fair, maybe its just me, but I find the B-17 nearly invincible. I have not encountered it mutch yet, but I have 3 kills and 2 deaths against B17 with my 109.

I believe the Yaks are a bit over statted as well, but a short burst of BF-109 cannons from a distance will send it down in flames.

Really my main complaint about the game is the IL-2 itself. The rear gunner should die from a single decent hit. The Russians apparently did not care about their rear gunners, history backs up this statement.

To be fair, I think the P-51 and yes, the Spitfire are two of the most over rated planes in history. I am not disapointed with the P-51 model.

I have more complaints and compliments, but over all.....this is the best WW2 flight game on the 360 console.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by mattd27

Right, that'll show 'em. Now Russians will rule the virtual skies. muaahahhah


no.

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

EDIT: AND the team even admitted they had made a mistake on the P-51 and hopefully it will get fixed. If it was really an evil plot why would they admit it was wrong?

Exactly. It's just the beginning of our... well I can't say in front of the Soviet enemy