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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games. |
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And to suggest only one bullet could hit a seat rear in a single burst is inaccurate, I have read a number of accounts of surviving pilots coming back with multiple hits on their armoured seat back and with it cracked and warped. |
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Well until you will have a NASTRAN level material engineering code in Il-2 this is rather theoretical (as it is in real life IMO) so we will have simplified model where the armor plate will be good as new any time it is hit... so can we just skip it and get back to the point?
Does the Il-2 Bf 109E armor modelled or not?
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A few reports on shot down 109E inspected by the British on the ground.
A.I.2.(g) Report No. 4/53 ñ 1940 Me 109. Crashed 30.09.40 at 17.00 hours, at Queens Anne's Gate, Windsor Great Park. Markings: 9 painted on yellow engine cowling. Spinner white with black circle on tip. Old markings had been painted out, viz. PH + LV. Airframe built by Arado, 29.06.40,. No. 109.4851. Engine DB601. Following fighter action aircraft forced landed and turned over. There are a number of bullet strikes from astern. Armament: x 2 MG 17 in wings and x 2 under engine cowling. Armour: Standard cross bulkhead and head protection for the pilot. A.I.2.(g) Report No. 4/54 ñ 1940 Me 109. Crashed on 30.09.40 at 16.50 hours at Sydling St. Nicholas, near Cerne Abbas. Map ref:U0821. Markings not decipherable. Engine DB601. Following fighter action aircraft dived into the ground and burnt out. Pilot baled out, but was killed owing to parachute failure. Armament: x 2 MG 17 in wings and two under engine cowling traced. Armour: Standard cross bulkhead was found only. AIR 22/266 Me 109. Crashed on 31.08.40 at Jubilee Farm, Ulcombe. Identification markings 10 + I, black Gothic S on white shield. Fuselage built by ERLA Werke Nr. 62914. Cause of crash, fighter action, condition fair. Aircraft made good landing, wheels up. Armament: 20 mm shell guns in wings and x 2 MG 17 machine guns under engine cowling. Armour usual bulkhead, pilots head protected by shield. Crew 1, prisoner. Camouflaged green upper surfaces, light blue underneath. In good condition, suitable for exhibition purposes. The DB601 engine is reported to have had the number 11366/211002a. Type: Messerschmitt Bf 109E-4 Werke/Nr. 1325 A.I 1(g) Report No. 3/67 states: Crashed on 30.09.40 at Langney, near Eastbourne. Map ref: R.0820. Markings 13 + (figures in yellow). Orange nose, rudder and fin. Engine DB601A, No.63509, made by Daimler Benz at Genshagen, Toltow. Armament: 2 x 20mm cannons and 2 MG 17. Armour: normal cross bulkhead, and panel behind pilots head. Following fighter action, aircraft forced landed. A few .303 strikes in cooling system and engine. Pilot prisoner. A.I.2.(g) Report 1940 Me 109. Forced landed at Love's Farm, Marden, Kent on 05.09.40. Markings < + - black, outlines in white. Crest: Shield U-shaped, outlined in red, divided into 8 segments coloured black and white. Wing tip and rudder painted white, camouflage all blue, fuselage all blue. Spinner divided into alternate black and white sectors. Fitted with Bd601A engine made by Mercedes Benz Erke Nr.10598. Aircraft forced landed following fighter action. Condition reported to be very good. Standard armament x 2 20 mm cannon and x 2 MG 17 machine guns. No head armour.. Starboard wing shows many .303 strikes.
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If you are all talking about this (see picture) then it was installed on some E4 but some pilots asked to remove it becaue it did restict their view. And it is never a perfect protection against a hit from nearly behind or from the front! stupid is it not? Last edited by senseispcc; 10-06-2012 at 10:48 AM. |
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I read once that the 109 did have pilot protection armour. Only reasoni do remember is that some pilots removed the head protection plate as it prevented rear view and that at later date thiswas changed to bullet proof glass behind the pilots head due to this reason
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Look at 10.10 |
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Seems if true armor plate was used (vice improvised plate steel), and/or the bullet hits at an angle (vice 90 degrees), then I guess penetration would be limited. But when I think of aircraft construction, I think of aluminum, which I imagine any .30 rifle bullet would penetrate with little loss of energy. I find it notable that at 200 yards 6% of .303 AP penetrated the 60 degree angled armor. What percentage of the rounds reaching the armor were stopped by it? The report also doesn't address the ultimate fate of the AP rounds that where deflected by the aircraft structure and missed the target armor plate. I assume many continued on to penetrate other portions of the aircraft? ~S~ AKA Knutsac Last edited by AKA Knut; 10-06-2012 at 05:50 PM. |
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