I Refuse To Fly WW2 CoD German Aircraft. Why?

[pencon]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Well, well well. At least we know where this drivel is coming from. A website that has such illuminating articles as 'Jewish Criminals and Their Activities' http://www.zundelsite.org/english/jewish_criminals/ being cited for 'evidence'. All denials to the contrary, it seems self-evident that this forum has been hijacked by far-right bigots. I shall of course be reporting this to 1C (and Steam, and Ubisoft, who will I assume not wish to be associated with such objectionable behaviour), and calling for a boycott of the forum from all who wish CloD well, and proposing to 1C that they find an alternate venue for communication with those customers and potential customers actually interested in the simulation, rather than in propagating Nazi-supporting filth and other delusional garbage - the 'climate change' thread comes to mind as another obvious example where such POV-pushing trolls were allowed to spurt ludicrous conspiracy theories attacking all and sundry on the forum with complete impunity. I fully expect to be blocked for this post, but don't care, since it is self evident that the moderators who have allowed (or encouraged?) this to happen have a great deal of responsibility for this mess, and without question need to go.

Goodbye to the forum. I'm off to play Rise of Flight, where it is possible to participate in a community that isn't full of closet neo-Nazis trying to rewrite history, rather than recreate it in simulation. If CloD improves, I may return to it, but I very much doubt that I'll ever want to fly online if it means meeting up with the obnoxious scum that seem to be attracted here. Fortunately, I'm sure they are very much a minority amongst those interested in CloD and its successors, and any half-decent system of moderation would have ensured that they remained in the closet, or in the dustbin of history that they so deserve.

It's called freedom of speech Andy , please do go and whine somewhere else . Perhaps the rise of flight forum people will agree with your every thought and you won't be forced to label them with lefty OWS insults .Please inform us all in advance when you make your triumphant return to these forums , we will wait with great anticipation .Ps You're not that actor who plays that skinny nerdy guy on "the Big Bang Theory " are you ?

[BlackBerry]

Originally Posted by winny

You're seriously playing the 'poor old Germany' card?

The Brits did chose war. And as a Brit I'm quite proud that they took a stand against a man as pathetically egotistical as Hitler.

He was warned that if he invaded Poland that Britain and France would declare war. He didn't believe them, more fool him. They guy was an idiot and his people paid a heavy price because of, and NEVER forget this, him.

And the first air raids of WW2 on civilians were carried out by the LW in Poland.
Like I said, they set the tone.

As for Britain fighting in a dirty way, how about the deliberate starvation of people In eastern europe by nazi Germany? Is that clean? Or the industrialisation of executions? Or the many air raids that they carried out?

At the end of it all there is one man responsible, and he took the cowards way out, hiding in a bunker whilst he continued to let his people die.

As a Brit I'm not proud of Dresden or hamburg but Adolf didn't care so why should I?

To blame the british for starting the war smacks of nazi sympathy speak.
So are you? It would explain a lot.

Furfurst's opinion about history is distorted. As a man from allied side, I support you.

Luftwaffe tried to kill children and women BEFORE WWII in Spain civil war in 1937.

Britain has beaten several autarchy countries in history, I am proud of Britain's contribution to free world.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by BlackBerry

Nazi is nazi.

WTF... did i mention nazi's my post was about the blame of civilian terror bombing which was done much more by the allies....

It was a means to an end, its war everyone gets there hands dirty just some more so than others.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by BlackBerry

Nazi is nazi.

IN HUMAN BEING HISTORY, THE FIRST MASS BOMBING OF CIVILLIANS IS GUERNICA.

Hardly. Guernica was a propaganda stunt of the anti-fascist powers, inflating

Also mass bombing of civilians preceeded Guernica by decades. The Italians excercised it in their Ethiopian campaign, the British bombed arab villages to terrorize the population in Iraq, the French bombed Damascus in 1925, and there are the Zeppeling raids.


Damascus in flames as the result of the French air raid on October 18, 1925. / French officers inspecting the damage

Guernica was a quiet village. The nearest military target of any consequence was a factory on the outskirts of the town, which manufactured various war products. The factory went through the attack unscathed. Thus, the motivation of the bombing was clearly one of intimidation. Furthermore, a majority of the town's men were away as they were fighting on behalf of the Republicans. Thus, the town at the time of the bombing was populated mostly by women and children.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)



"Well done", German bombers, and their fans 70 years later.

"Quiet village"? With pastors and lambs and stuff like that? Get real.

Sure, it was a perfectly normal little town, in the frontline, with two Basque battalions in it.

The Germans and Italians simply bombed a strategic chokepoint, and attempted to block the roads leading in and out of the city, and thus trapping the Republican forces.

Regrettably about four hundred innocents died in the process (the exact number was never really established though, nobody kept record how many died in the bombing, how many in the fighting and how many 'suspicious ones' were executed as typical in this civil war).

Allied and Soviet press boosted this again tenfold, up to 6000 dead were claimed.

Military situation

Advances by Nationalist troops led by Generalísimo Francisco Franco had eaten into the territory controlled by the Republican Government. The Basque Government, an autonomous regional administrative body formed by Basque nationalists and leftists, sought to defend Biscay and parts of Guipuzcoa with its own light Basque Army. [b]At the time of the raid, Guernica represented a focal strategic point for the Republican forces./b] It stood between the Nationalists and capture of Bilbao. Bilbao was seen as key to bringing the war to a conclusion in the north of Spain. Guernica also was the path of retreat for the Republicans from the northeast of Biscay.
Prior to the Condor Legion raid, the town had not been directly involved in the fighting, although Republican forces were in the area; 23 battalions of Basque army troops were at the front east of Guernica. The town also housed two Basque army battalions, although it had no static air defences, and it was thought that no air cover could be expected due to recent losses of the Republican Air Force.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...tary_situation

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Once again it's a SIM people , none of us alive today were personally involved. Would you German haters buy this sim if there was no enemy to fight ? Perhaps you guys should buy a sim where people sit in rocking chairs and sip lemonade .Flying a German plane in this SIM does not make a person a nazi sympathizer any more than flying a Russian plane in the next sim will make you a communist . Or flying a British plane will make you a tea sipper . Get a grip . It's a SIM and a video game. I also fly an Fw190d9 RC plane but I don't profess to any nazi sympathies .I think the interest people have in flying the LW planes is in some ways similar to the interest they have In watching mafia movies and other crime stories .Didn't Britain at one time have a massive "British Empire " ? How do you suppose that happened ? Did they impose it by being nice to the countries they conquered ?One more thing , some of you better not fly the Italian planes either , they were German allies .

[AndyJWest]

.Flying a German plane in this SIM does not make a person a nazi sympathizer

Posting pro-Nazi material and links to holocaust-denial websites does, you clueless troll.

And P.S. I've flown Luftwaffe planes in sims often enough. I can tell simulation from reality. I am also aware that not everyone may feel comfortable associating themselves, even indirectly, with the political regime sponsoring such planes. This is of course an individual ethical choice - one that needs to be considered in the context of a simulation that seems to encourage lunatic-fringe far-right participants to engage in soapboxing to push their vile agenda. In such a context, to say that it is 'just a simulation' and ignore what is going on is quite possibly morally questionable. I suggest that those with any morals ask themselves the question, and make their own decisions.

[TomcatViP]

Urgent ccc request to all flying admins commanders - stop

close that thread by all manners - stop

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tc & all willing associates

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[pencon]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Posting pro-Nazi material and links to holocaust-denial websites does, you clueless troll.

And P.S. I've flown Luftwaffe planes in sims often enough. I can tell simulation from reality. I am also aware that not everyone may feel comfortable associating themselves, even indirectly, with the political regime sponsoring such planes. This is of course an individual ethical choice - one that needs to be considered in the context of a simulation that seems to encourage lunatic-fringe far-right participants to engage in soapboxing to push their vile agenda. In such a context, to say that it is 'just a simulation' and ignore what is going on is quite possibly morally questionable. I suggest that those with any morals ask themselves the question, and make their own decisions.

And I thought you left these forums for good ? Wow you're back already .You wouldn't like the rise of flight forums anyway ,nobody to trade insults with .I think you DO in fact have trouble seperating this Sim from reality .ps Nowhere did I make excuses for or sympathize with nazi tactics or political agenda . I merely like to fly the German planes on this sim .To me this is a video game .To you , it's life or death it seems . I'm so hurt by you calling me a troll .Almost as much as your other over used and tired word - bigot.If you would like to hurl further cliched insults my way I'll brace myself for it ...

[kendo65]

Kurfurst, it is a classic sign of someone losing the original argument when they suddenly broaden the context like that. We were talking about causes of WW2 and the respective approaches of Germany / the Allies to bombing strategy.

Now suddenly it's about Britain's colonial past? I am not going to make any attempt at justification for the actions of the colonial regime of that era. I personally despise those attitudes, actions and the weasly get-outs mouthed by some modern-day apologists for them.

But, for Christ's sake take the plank out of your own eye before you start complaining about the speck in other people's!

[RCAF_FB_Orville]