Bug 174 on 12lbs boost. Review please.

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Of course, since it was standard fuel in the RAF. Similarly, there's no evidence that 100 octane fuel was used in more than a a couple of dozen cases out of thousands of fighter sorties, right David?

Actually we have lots of evidence for squadron usage even prior to the BofB - and lots of sources stating conversion of RAF FC in the Spring of 1940.

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by robtek

Still both sides have evidence but no proof.

Show me the evidence for 87 octane fuel use by RAF FC during the BofB.

100 octane - lots of evidence.
87 octane - no evidence.

What's the difference between evidence and proof?

[Das Attorney]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

What's the difference between evidence and proof?

More than 184 posts!

[Glider]

Originally Posted by robtek

Still both sides have evidence but no proof.

The issue seems very similar to the "schroeders cat" problem.

Everybody and his uncle "knows" the cat is dead, but it can't be proven until the box is opened.

So, everybody, and his uncle, "knows" there was only 100 oct. used by the active part of the FC, but as in "Schroeders cat" all possibilities are equal true until there is proof (box opened).

One side has evidence of widespread use if only the use of on average approx 10,000 tons a month until 100 Octane was issued to all operational commands. We know that Bomber Command, Coastal Command plus non operational units didn't use 100 Octane until August/September. So its worth trying to work out who was using 10,000 tons a month if it wasn't fighter command and no 2 Group.

I am very confident that Kurfursts couple of dozen sorties will not account for 10,000 tons.
That also ignores the other papers that I am not going to mention as they have been raised before

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Glider

One side has evidence of widespread use if only the use of on average approx 10,000 tons a month until 100 Octane was issued to all operational commands. We know that Bomber Command, Coastal Command plus non operational units didn't use 100 Octane until August/September. So its worth trying to work out who was using 10,000 tons a month if it wasn't fighter command and no 2 Group.

I am very confident that Kurfursts couple of dozen sorties will not account for 10,000 tons.
That also ignores the other papers that I am not going to mention as they have been raised before

Glider evades to give a straight answer.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by kurfürst

kurfurst evades to give a straight answer.

fixed.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Source please for 87 octane not being issued operational Fighter Command units.

I say you just made that up.

No, Kurfurst is just making up stories that 87 Octane was used in operational FC units, with absolutely no written evidence to back such claims. In fact Payton-Smith makes it specific that 87 octane was used for non-operational flying (top of p 56).


and Dowding specifies it in a circular to all FC units





NB: Kurfurst tried to post his "evidence" of the "Pips' Papers" in the bugtracker report http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/174 only to have it tossed out - twice (# 41 and 61) by unanimous decision; # 66 he demanded that my post # 65 be deleted, complaining it was nothing but spam, and that demand got tossed out as well. Personally I couldn't care less if Kurfurst and Crumpp don't believe that all FC frontline units used 100 Octane - their opinions don't count because they don't have any evidence to back up their own claims, apart from some pre-war planning papers.

[Kurfürst]

Glider evades the straight answer then disappears, NZTyphoon becomes hysterical and tosses some bile and a smokescreen. He also couldn't care less about the 100 octane fuel issue, then he registeres on three separate boards just to argue about it and makes almost 300 posts about it 3 months. Expects to be taken seriously.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by robtek

Still both sides have evidence but no proof.

The issue seems very similar to the "schroeders cat" problem.

Everybody and his uncle "knows" the cat is dead, but it can't be proven until the box is opened.

So, everybody, and his uncle, "knows" there was only 100 oct. used by the active part of the FC, but as in "Schroeders cat" all possibilities are equal true until there is proof (box opened).

Well summarized and logical assessement robtek, though I assume the words of reason will fail to have an effect on blindfolded minds.