Throwing some light on rates of turn

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

I did manage to lose an aileron but still could perform and full deflection assymetrical pullout. The pullout again resulted in a loop with some grayout at the top but no blackout.

this broadly concurs with my experience. I made a 430IAS dive, broke the wingtip on the pull-out and was no longer able to maintain level flight as a result (roll input).

But the aircraft was flyable.

What ??? You can drop flaps on a Spit to improve turn performance ??? Seriously ??? That flap is the least efficient flap in the game, needed more for drag, pitch adjustment and ground effect than lift.

So, yet another example showing that to play the game well one should throw reality out the window and learn the game planes. (fun, tho)

My thoughts and my thoughts alone.

Unfortunately some bad things from IL2.1 were transfered to IL2.2

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by zipper

What ??? You can drop flaps on a Spit to improve turn performance ??? Seriously ??? That flap is the least efficient flap in the game, needed more for drag, pitch adjustment and ground effect than lift.

So, yet another example showing that to play the game well one should throw reality out the window and learn the game planes. (fun, tho)

My thoughts and my thoughts alone.

well it is curious that those flaps on the spit do that. You are right, they are pretty inefficient flaps, non adjustable, and they drop to a super low angle which in reality should cause a heap of drag

[enriquegastelo]

So interesting, really like it

Originally Posted by gimpy117

well it is curious that those flaps on the spit do that. You are right, they are pretty inefficient flaps, non adjustable, and they drop to a super low angle which in reality should cause a heap of drag

The Spit flaps at least optically seem correct. They were only landing flaps and there was no way to put them on an intermediate level (which was wrongly modelled in IL2 1946 ). AFAIK, for the seafires, they placed a sort of stopper to fix the flap temporarly to an intermediate level for take off from carriers. As soon as the flaps were retracted the stoppers fell off and gone the possibility to have the flaps on an intermediate level.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

The Spit flaps at least optically seem correct. They were only landing flaps and there was no way to put them on an intermediate level (which was wrongly modelled in IL2 1946 ). AFAIK, for the seafires, they placed a sort of stopper to fix the flap temporarly to an intermediate level for take off from carriers. As soon as the flaps were retracted the stoppers fell off and gone the possibility to have the flaps on an intermediate level.

You are right, the issue has been reported already: http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/91

Just for the record, the flaps have been sorted in 1946 already in one of the later DT patches.

The spitfires using wooden wedge were normal mk.Vs starting from a carrier. Destination: Malta.

[IvanK]

An excerpt from AVIA 6/2422 "Notes on the turning performance of the Spitfire as affected by Altitude and Flaps"

The only comment I would make is that the full doc discusses the fact that only "Flap 85" (Down) is selectable so the intermediate settings and any values discussed are by estimate/calculation. The values in the table are Sustained turn performance ... without Height loss.

[Kurfürst]

Excellent! Does the report mention the turn time/radii at SL perhaps..?

[IvanK]

Unfortunately no its all 12,000ft and up.