Poll regarding Steam users

[TheGrunch]

For the most part I agree with you Blackdog, I just think that we're LUCKY that it's Steam and not something more irritating or obtrusive, given that we're dealing with Ubi and 1C, of whom Ubi love DRM and being dicks to their consumers as much as possible if it protects their margins and of whom 1C just love Steam for obvious reasons - they are a small publisher who can't afford gigantic advertising campaigns for their fairly niche titles - CoD probably in the middle of the road or even leaning towards mainstream compared to some of them, and to some extent Steam do this for them in their news section (if Ubi will let them do so straight away) and also it saves developers a bit of time in terms of creating a multiplayer system beyond the actual basic netcode and server system and you get a better deal than with retailers as regards profit.

I don't think that people are getting the way the money issue works here, though, probably because as you say, a lot of people don't seem to understand that 1C is a publisher and Maddox Games is the developer here, they are not the same thing, 1C are co-publishing with Ubi, with Ubi publishing wherever they can be arsed to but supposedly the US, Western Europe and Australia, 1C publishing inside Russia and maybe parts of Eastern Europe and Asia I suspect.
That oft-quoted article about the money division from Steam (quoted as between 60:40 and 70:30) is from the perspective of the PUBLISHER. They still take their cut unless Maddox Games decided to self-publish through Steam only. So it will go 70:30 1C:Steam and then how much Maddox Games gets from that 70% depends on what their contract with 1C is as to the division of profits (if indeed they don't just get a fixed sum on the completion of the game, I hope not, I expect this to sell well). So although the proportion of money is greater from publisher:middleman than with retailers, the amount that Maddox Games gets is still dependent upon their agreement with the publisher as to the division of profits *out* of this greater cut from Steam.

[F19_Klunk]

I have been using Steam for many a years and have never had any real problems.-.. leat time my login didn't work must have been back in 07 or 08.... but worked after a minute.

Beside the fact that 1C and Maddox games will have a MUCH larger chunk of my dough with steam and it is a very easy to use and handy software that organize ones game nicely.. there is ONE thing I don't like with it.. it's WAY to easy to press that button.. "Purchase"..

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

I don't think that people are getting the way the money issue works here, though, probably because as you say, a lot of people don't seem to understand that 1C is a publisher and Maddox Games is the developer here, they are not the same thing, 1C are co-publishing with Ubi.....

True and I expect an argument between 1c and Ubi over who has the rights to sell cod on steam is why we can't preorder through steam atm

[JG27+Freid]

To The Grunch and Luftrofl. I came on here and gave my personal opinion right or wrong and regardless if you agree or not. I did not attack or insult anyone whether I did or did not agree with their opinion and whether i felt it was right or wrong. Both of you attacked me personally and disrespectfully based on the fact you did not like or agree with my opinion. Who are you to try and bully people that come on here. These are not your personal forums. I will be filing a complaint with the administrators of this forum based on your unwarranted insulting and personal attacks.

[TheGrunch]

Feel free to do that. Personally I feel your immediate insulting generalisations about a large group of people were far more offensive than our replies.

[JG52Krupi]

Dammit can i change my vote? I got shogun 2 today but, because of steam I cant play it until its official release date on the 15th

Can't wait to try it, love the Japanese Samurai era.

[ElAurens]

Really wouldn't it have just been so much better if 1C had decided to just market CoD on Steam, thereby taking advantage of the large pool of potential buyers, but left the requirement to have it for play out of the deal? This is how it is for many other games and it works just fine.

That way those who like Steam could buy the title that way, and us old time, loyal players, would be happy with our current way of doing things and not have to have Steam.

That would have been a win~win for all of us.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Really wouldn't it have just been so much better if 1C had decided to just market CoD on Steam, thereby taking advantage of the large pool of potential buyers, but left the requirement to have it for play out of the deal? This is how it is for many other games and it works just fine.

I'd have preferred that as well, many other companies do so. However from 1C's point of view Steam is a no-brainer, at least for all their other games they seem to be doing well with it. It's the only way they publish in the west and they don't need to build any relationship to retailers that way, which they never had to start with.

Big open questions for me are still:
- why is Ubi also tying in Steam (technical reasons? requirement from 1C for multiplayer compatibility?)
- why is it not for sale on Steam so far (can't think of anything so I blame Ubi for that, they deserve it either way)
- will it eventually be on sale through Steam by either 1C or Ubi (fingers crossed for 1C...)

The "how can we buy what we want to buy" mystery continues...

[JG52Uther]

And while everyone is so over the moon with steam,lets hope we don't end up with EA games system!
From the destructoid forums,not directly linking 'cos of the swearing

If you ever needed more evidence of how ludicrously some publishers treat PC players, you can stop your search right here. A gamer was recently punished for using "bad language" on BioWare's forums with a ban from Dragon Age II. Yep, if you screw up on a message board, EA can stop you from playing legally purchased, offline games.

The ban was for referring to EA as a "devil", which netted the user a 72-hour suspension. During that period, he was unable to play Dragon Age II because he needed his suspended account in order to activate it. BioWare's only response was to copy and paste the terms and services of its forums, basically in order to say "not our problem."

Electronic Arts, however, has since revoked the ban -- likely due to a lot of outraged gamer backlash -- and has claimed the suspension from the game was a "mistake." Apparently he was only supposed to be suspended from the forum, but got locked out of everything that requires an EA account.

Yet further proof that EA doesn't know what the **** it's doing with its stupid EA account nonsense. Still, nice to know that such clueless chimps can essentially hold your games to ransom.

[Luftrofl]

Originally Posted by JG27+Freid

To The Grunch and Luftrofl. I came on here and gave my personal opinion right or wrong and regardless if you agree or not. I did not attack or insult anyone whether I did or did not agree with their opinion and whether i felt it was right or wrong. Both of you attacked me personally and disrespectfully based on the fact you did not like or agree with my opinion. Who are you to try and bully people that come on here. These are not your personal forums. I will be filing a complaint with the administrators of this forum based on your unwarranted insulting and personal attacks.

Aww you poor thing. You gave totally false information as fact and got called out on it. Grow up and admit you have no clue what you're talking about, then use it as a learning experience.

Next time if you want to give your opinion make sure it's an informed one, or keep it to yourself.

Also, if someone who points out you lied and don't know about the subject matter offends you so much you are awfully sensitive.

I bet you still haven't bothered looking up what really happened between Ubi and Steam about the DRM. If you had the right course of action would have been to come correct your statement. But, since twisting the truth to make Steam look bad was the point all along, why would you?