Friday 2010-05-07 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by =KAG=Bersrk

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2. About aircraft itself. As far as I know, C-7 was chosen by MG for fill the "Bf110 Jabo" gap with minimal reworks. And, it was done with elements of "early" or "factory built" Bf110C-7's, and with elements (like Pitot tube and enlarged trims) of "late" or "field" Bf110C-7's, wich were actually mainly Bf110C-1/2/4 "in virginity". There are many photos, BoB period, of Bf110C-7 with VERY different upgrades, like armored windglass, armorplate for pilot e.t.c.

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Yet there can be not one photo that shows these features, large pitot tube and enlarged trim tab, because they were introduced with the E series after the BoB. Just to make that clear. Even though there were a number of modifications, these were not among them during BoB and therefor are WRONG.

[robtek]

@Zorin
it seems that you are right, but realistically you can hope for a change in a later patch!
Right now it is very more important to deliver a finished game!
Those details are important for screenshots and movies, not for the regular gameplay.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by robtek

@Zorin
it seems that you are right, but realistically you can hope for a change in a later patch!
Right now it is very more important to deliver a finished game!
Those details are important for screenshots and movies, not for the regular gameplay.

All I hope for, at this stage, is an acknowledgment that they made mistakes and are willing to fix them.

I respect Oleg's stance that he wants prove via official documents, but in this case it is like I said: "The sky is blue." and he asks for official documents to prove it. It is a plain fact, dictated by logic, that features that where first build in the winter 1940/1941, can't be found on a summer 1940 plane.

[=KAG=Bersrk]

Originally Posted by Zorin

All I hope for, at this stage, is an acknowledgment that they made mistakes and are willing to fix them.
..It is a plain fact, dictated by logic, that features that where first build in the winter 1940/1941, can't be found on a summer 1940 plane.

1. Good point.

2. Agree.
First Bf110C-7 (factory built - only 39 airctafts) - produced from july 1940 to september 1940.
First 8 Bf110E-2 produced in october 1940, and largely went in series on december 1940.

At the same time, around december, most of survived C-2's, C-4's were repaired and upgraded to C-7, and got it name in official documents.

I accept MG position about Bf110C-4. It was not a main "zerstorer" of BoB, but... It is chosen, and "let it be".
From september 39 to july 1940 there were 359 Bf110C-2 built. Also, ~200 Bf110D-0/1/2/3 were built from march to november 1940. And we must not forget about 50 new Bf110E-1, wich saw operational in october - november 1940 during Battle of Britain. And all these bunch are against "dead-end model" Bf110C-4, produced from may 1940 to september 1940, in number of 155 aircrafts.

I can list a several ZerstorerGruppen, wich operated and lost in action mainly Bf110C-2, or Bf110D, up to 80% of all losses.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by =KAG=Bersrk

1. Good point.

2. Agree.
First Bf110C-7 (factory built - only 39 airctafts) - produced from july 1940 to september 1940.
First 8 Bf110E-2 produced in october 1940, and largely went in series on december 1940.

At the same time, around december, most of survived C-2's, C-4's were repaired and upgraded to C-7, and got it name in official documents.

I accept MG position about Bf110C-4. It was not a main "zerstorer" of BoB, but... It is chosen, and "let it be".
From september 39 to july 1940 there were 359 Bf110C-2 built. Also, ~200 Bf110D-0/1/2/3 were built from march to november 1940. And we must not forget about 50 new Bf110E-1, wich saw operational in october - november 1940 during Battle of Britain. And all these bunch are against "dead-end model" Bf110C-4, produced from may 1940 to september 1940, in number of 155 aircrafts.

I can list a several ZerstorerGruppen, wich operated and lost in action mainly Bf110C-2, or Bf110D, up to 80% of all losses.

See, this is what I meant with well of wisdom. Oleg has it right here at his disposal and he isn't making good use of it, apparently. If he only had asked the right questions prior to the point of choosing the aircraft types and starting their build process ...

[=KAG=Bersrk]

In MG, JaBo version of Bf110 was not even in plans, as well as I know. And much later, when BF110C-4 was made, MG decided to have JaBo with MINIMAL REWORK.

Sometimes, I think that it would be better not to have JaBo in release, but in first patch/addon we would have really new modelled Bf110D-3, JaBo with enlarged fuselage.

[Rodolphe]

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Well, Thanks to "The Few", members resources, we've got those "nitpicking details" fixed.

Great ! Oleg's team care about us.



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