water cannon

[Wolf_Rider]

down here, the courts have been admonishing the defender and supporting the uninvitied entrant... go figure



guns can be banned, but then the public will turn to blades... ban them and the public will make their own in their sheds.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by unreasonable

I think I understand the proplem for our US contributors: they probably do not want to come out and say that other peoples do not have the right to decide their own gun laws, since this is so obviously unreasonable, but they worry that the arguments used by other peoples to reach the conclusion that stringent gun controls are a good thing might be applied to the US too, and be used by the government to undermine or limit their current rights to carry arms. So not being content to defend their own gun laws they feel the need to criticise other people's laws as well.

At the extreme, to safeguard the 2nd Amendment from the dreaded "wedge" argument, the rights of all other nations in the world to manage their own affairs according to their own traditions, culture and laws has to be, if not denied outright, denigrated, held up to ridicule and contempt, and condemned as a slippery slope on the road to totalitarian enslavement.

So I would really appreciate it if any of the US contributors would step up to the plate, play the game, man up, stop evading the issue, and state whether or not they believe that the people of the UK, via the mechanism of their own constitution and law, have the self-evident right to limit the right to keep and bear arms.

Come on, you know you want to...

Of course they do. They've chosen this and it isn't ever coming back while there is a civilized government in place.

Lately there seems to be mobs of people not getting along well and I am worried that this could spiral out of the governments control. Then when that happens what then?

Hungry people don't make wise decisions.

[jimbop]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ted_death_rate

Um, have any of you guys looked at the list? One of my family is in those stats and I wish guns were even harder to get hold of where I live.

[Wolf_Rider]

Guns don't kill people though... people kill people, and the only difference between this happening in the stone age and today is, today we have developed a much more efficient means of doing so.

Until the "why" is recognised and dealt with, we'll only continue to develop even more efficient means of killing each other.

Take the guns away and people will use knives/ swords, take them away and people will use clubs or what is in the cutlery drawer, take that away and they'll resort to what is under the kitchen sink... remove that and they'll turn to grandma's knitting needles. Meanwhile, others have fashioned a workshop in their backyard shed.

[unreasonable]

Originally Posted by timej31

Of course they do. They've chosen this and it isn't ever coming back while there is a civilized government in place.

Lately there seems to be mobs of people not getting along well and I am worried that this could spiral out of the governments control. Then when that happens what then?

Hungry people don't make wise decisions.

Fair enough, thank you. From some of the posts in the thread I was beginning to wonder.....

As for the situation getting out of control - I do not think that is likely, provided that the people at large are not armed, which is I imagine the main point of difference between the US and European views.

IMHO, the mobs have been mostly apolitical youths out for some excitement, and judging from how fat some of them looked on the TV pictures they were certainly not hungry. Presumably they got bored waiting for the next CloD patch...

Some combination of carrots and sticks will be applied, mostly without any real belief that anything fundamental will change. The underclass will go back to their ghettos. The middle-class opportunist gansta wannabees will go back to their sociology courses at "university". And the bankers and politicians will go back to fleecing the society they have come to believe does not exist.

O tempora, O mores!

(For non-classicists, this translates roughly as "this tempura is tasty, give me some more", a suitable lament for the failings of a multicultural, materialist nation).

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Guns don't kill people though... people kill people, and the only difference between this happening in the stone age and today is, today we have developed a much more efficient means of doing so.

Until the "why" is recognised and dealt with, we'll only continue to develop even more efficient means of killing each other.

Take the guns away and people will use knives/ swords, take them away and people will use clubs or what is in the cutlery drawer, take that away and they'll resort to what is under the kitchen sink... remove that and they'll turn to grandma's knitting needles. Meanwhile, others have fashioned a workshop in their backyard shed.

True but the efficiency with which guns do the job is the point. You can't honestly be saying that if you replaced all the firearms with knitting needles that there would be as many homicides, surely?

[Wolf_Rider]

Its not the body count which is the problem (the body count is the symptom)... the problem is "why" there is a need for the body count in the first place.

Replace guns for knitting needles? look in the kitchen cabinet and you'll find much more efficent means than a gun

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Its not the body count which is the problem (the body count is the symptom)... the problem is "why" there is a need for the body count in the first place.

Replace guns for knitting needles? look in the kitchen cabinet and you'll find much more efficent means than a gun

Couldn't agree more about it being a symptom but I certainly do see the body count as being a problem. Should be reduced where possible.

[Wolf_Rider]

personally, I don't see a need for a body count in the first place, and the problem won't be stopped until the cause is found.. and the cause isn't the weapon, the cause is why it is being employed.

[Vengeanze]

If Mr. unreasonable was electable he'd get my vote.