Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

The lerche cheat was posted on ubi forums long before the sound mod and it was confirmed there that it was a trick of editing a config file at the right time and in such a way as to allow the lerche to be used on any server, again, before the sound mod. Many many people saw this thread and if the search function worked worth a crap I'd post the link. That lerche video is proof of cheating, but only that cheating happened before the sound mod ever came out, modding is not the sole inventor of cheat, print screen, cable pulling, packet manipulation of all sorts was prevalent long before the code was hacked. No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by Baron

Like i said, if`s and buts till the cows come home.


U said it yourselfe, if u wanted to be difficoult u could................


Wich is exactly whats hapening here.



BTW, U or your modfriends dont get to decide whats trolling and whats not.......sry.


Thx.



Gonna listen to Evgeny here and drop this dead horse and move on.

the only "if" was "if i wanted to be difficult" which was an illustration of how far you could go to back up your claims, given the apparent lack of evidence. i do not need to go to that extent because you are incapable of posting a simple video to back up what you say. and no-one gets to decide what trolling is, it simply is trolling. you are providing a world class example. as for the horse - it's more of a bloody smear that is still being hit with sticks.
still busy at the other place zap?
oh, just for added flavour

Originally Posted by Baron

Dont worrie Zapatista.

Some people in theese forums got it into theire heads that it is up to them to decide the rules here and what goes and what doesnt.

That will change very soon.

yep, people like Zap

Originally Posted by zapatista

you have my vote !

kick the lot of them out

Originally Posted by Baron

But again, leave it alone in here, your only feeding the trolls.

or in this case, each other.

[LEXX]

Urufu_Shinjiro::

No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

That's why this thread serves no purpose. If there is proof it would be poasted because it would need to be talked about. Further, if there is proven hack cheating, than its because of Online cheaters in anonymous public dogfight shooter servers and not honest Online players or Offline players.

[jasonbirder]

kick the lot of them out

Either people are free to discuss the Sound Mod or they aren't...
As it’s an issue that’s important to people from both sides of the argument (pro & anti-modders) it seems sensible that open discussion and debate should be allowed.
The level of interest in it can be quickly gauged by the number of posts and views of the appropriate Forum threads.
As the anti-mod camp believes they have a convincing argument, why is it that some from the anti-mod camp seem so keen to shut down further discussion and debate?
The discussion should be carried out in a spirit of fairness and amicability - without resort to insults or flaming – but who would want to move to a situation where we have locked threads, deleted threads and user bans…Surely that’s just censorship?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

zapatista just try to become a better combat flier why don't you? Hell, I have shot down two to three mig 15s in a Ju-88 for christs sakes! I have shot down Me-109's in dogfights with a-20!

ahh i see, you were totally misunderstood all along.

what you really meant from the beginning was that it doesnt matter that people with hacked files get onto fullreal servers, if the others get shot down it just means they are bad pilots.

and learn how to use the quote system on forums willya, the text soup you post aint worth reading

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by zapatista

ahh i see, you were totally misunderstood all along.

what you really meant from the beginning was that it doesnt matter that people with hacked files get onto fullreal servers, if the others get shot down it just means they are bad pilots.

and learn how to use the quote system on forums willya, the text soup you post aint worth reading

No, I understand you quite well. Why is it that the most simple of minded posters always believes they are so complex they think people don't understand their nonsense, god? Even with your posts in quotes your rational isn't worth reading no matter how it is posted..

I could posts all my stuff in quotes all day long and you would still be incapable of understanding it. I figured this way you would at least bother to make an effort to try to understand what I was saying. What is the matter can't differentiate "Stalker" from your own insipid names.. zapatista!


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zapatista;31494 cant you even count to 10 using your own fingers ?


Stalker..Apparently your the one with a real learning deficiency here not me since you can't even understand a simple web page like this one. That or your a balded face lier. Which is it?


zapatista... he problem with the unrestricted hacking in il2 is not about what people like to add or change, it is that suddenly you have 1 group flying online with the legitimate il2 specifications, and another group is on the same full real server but has added gun sight gyro's to planes that shouldnt have it, increased their visibility by removing the cockpit, added mirrors in planes that dont normally have them, increased dot sizes for distant aircraft etc..

stalker..One can download these mods or not. These gunsites and mirror mods you just mention I have found not very useful in the heat of battle. The other "mods" you mention I haven't seen on the site you quote but don't understand. I believe you must be a very very poor flier to worry about these "mods" as much as you do...


You see when you were talking I put "zapatista"

when I was talking I put "Stalker"

and you talk about me counting on one Hand... !!!

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

ahh i see, you were totally misunderstood all along.

what you really meant from the beginning was that it doesnt matter that people with hacked files get onto fullreal servers, if the others get shot down it just means they are bad pilots.

and learn how to use the quote system on forums willya, the text soup you post aint worth reading

zap, prove it. make that video, using the files you have access to. then you "win".
stalkers posts with the quotes are easy enough for a simpleton like me to read. see where he put his name next to the lines he added? yeah that means that bit is him. saying they aren't worth reading is oh so infantile. oh wait, you already went there didn't you?

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

As the anti-mod camp believes they have a convincing argument, why is it that some from the anti-mod camp seem so keen to shut down further discussion and debate?

nail. head. etc.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

The lerche cheat was posted on ubi forums long before the sound mod and it was confirmed there that it was a trick of editing a config file at the right time and in such a way as to allow the lerche to be used on any server, again, before the sound mod. Many many people saw this thread and if the search function worked worth a crap I'd post the link.

That lerche video is proof of cheating, but only that cheating happened before the sound mod ever came out, modding is not the sole inventor of cheat, print screen, cable pulling, packet manipulation of all sorts was prevalent long before the code was hacked.

No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

urufu,

i think this is your first post in this thread, so i'll take it at face value that your not just trolling like the hack kiddies who just want to keep advertising their vandalism here.

about the "cheating" with the soundmod files, the following things are known beyond doubt:
1) the soundfile hack opened up must of the previously locked data in il2, including plane features like engines, wing shape, plane size, mirrors, cockpit shape and canopy bars/glass, removing cockpits completely, etc..
2) even on servers running checksum 2 they cant detect soundmod files or other additionally edited parameters anymore
3) i have posted you examples of people adding gyro sights to planes that normally dont have them, adding mirrors, and people flying unauthorized planes on full real servers. if you look at the files the hack kiddies use, all that is available, and you have no way of telling what is switched on/off when they then join servers online

and that makes the situation much worse then befor all this soundmod started being available to everyone and his dog.

i'm not sure what else you'd need. i'd say using any of those features on servers that are set to full real constitutes cheating since, it gives an unfair advantage compared to the other flyer's.

and as some of the hack kiddies put it themselves

:lowfighter

If I wanted to cheat with a plane I'd add just say 5% boost in any performance compartment (turn time, climb rate etc), then of course it would be hard to prove anything about my cheating.
I believe there are cheaters, but the question is how many percentagewise, and how smart?
Sure it's impossible to answer such questions...

it doesnt matter whatsoever to most legitimate il2 users if some people used hacked files like that on their own, or with their little friends in some online server. what matters is that you now dont know anymore what unfair advantages other people have when you join some of the better online servers.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

zap, prove it. make that video, using the files you have access to. then you "win".
stalkers posts with the quotes are easy enough for a simpleton like me to read. see where he put his name next to the lines he added? yeah that means that bit is him. saying they aren't worth reading is oh so infantile. oh wait, you already went there didn't you?

well I guess you got the post easy enough huh loon? Apparently zapatista couldn't figure that one out even though he has such a superior mind we don't understand any of his logic..