IL2 and Sound Modding

[stalkervision]

I guess I may to get all "contractional law"...on your nutty behinds but seeing I am in a period of "Transition " I'll let it slide..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE9Qm...eature=related

[robtek]

When i read stalkervisions replys i just have to qote einstein:

There are two thing without limits, the universe and human stupidity
but then, i´m not shure accounting to the universe.

excuse if i have misquoted, but the meaning is correct.

robtek

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by robtek

When i read stalkervisions replys i just have to qote einstein:

There are two thing without limits, the universe and human stupidity
but then, i´m not shure accounting to the universe.

excuse if i have misquoted, but the meaning is correct.

robtek

so which of the two "unlimited" catagories do you consider yourself in?

Let me qive you another quote..

"There was never a dirth of human beings who actually believed by quoting someone far far smarter then themselves it put them in the same league as the person they were quoting"

You can quote that btw. The author is me..


BTW. Einstein was a renown pervert and skirt chaser. Just because he was a math wize doesn't make him an expert on everything including the human condition fool..

[carguy_]

Rhighto!Einstein aint got shit on stalkervision

[BSS_Sniper]

Stalker, who cares about the EULA? That is a moot point at the moment. You've totally ignored valid concerns that would come into play online. I'll mention them one more time. Taking parts out of the cockpit so only those with the mod can see better or having a mod'd 6 DOF when others don't. I'd like to know your thoughts on that since without a doubt, that would be viewed as cheating by anyone with the slightest bit of common sense.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

Stalker, who cares about the EULA? That is a moot point at the moment. You've totally ignored valid concerns that would come into play online. I'll mention them one more time. Taking parts out of the cockpit so only those with the mod can see better or having a mod'd 6 DOF when others don't. I'd like to know your thoughts on that since without a doubt, that would be viewed as cheating by anyone with the slightest bit of common sense.

why don't you just go on a on-line site that allows those mods buddy and really enjoy yourself. Then you will be equal to all the rest again. That's what I would do..

hell then you get to use all different new maps and new aircraft!

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

why don't you just go on a on-line site that allows those mods buddy and really enjoy yourself. Then you will be equal to all the rest again. That's what I would do..

hell then you get to use all different new maps and new aircraft!

I have no problem with that. If someone has the mod's and they are on a "mod friendly" server, fine. The problem I have is when people go on servers using those mod's where they aren't wanted. I saw on another forum where Warclouds banned someone because they were using just the sound mod. They rectified that and let him back in, but let everyone know that mod's are not welcome. Someone else posted underneath, "well, he shouldn't have said anything and just used it". That is the part that people are worried about. Those people.

BTW, I have checked out the sound mod and the ai flyables with cockpits. Those are nice, as long as no one starts tweaking FM"s and such. The ones I don't care for are when they start removing, changing and adding parts to things that give an unfair advantage online. I hope you can see the online communities concerns there and if so, that is what needs to be discussed.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

I have no problem with that. If someone has the mod's and they are on a "mod friendly" server, fine. The problem I have is when people go on servers using those mod's where they aren't wanted. I saw on another forum where Warclouds banned someone because they were using just the sound mod. They rectified that and let him back in, but let everyone know that mod's are not welcome. Someone else posted underneath, "well, he shouldn't have said anything and just used it". That is the part that people are worried about. Those people.

BTW, I have checked out the sound mod and the ai flyables with cockpits. Those are nice, as long as no one starts tweaking FM"s and such. The ones I don't care for are when they start removing, changing and adding parts to things that give an unfair advantage online. I hope you can see the online communities concerns there and if so, that is what needs to be discussed.

sure I can. Of course. I believe the servers will really have to control this though somehow. No use punishing the majority of people who are playing very fair just because of a few rotten apples. The one site I know of really strives to not allow any cheats whatsoever. Sites like this should be encouraged to develop mods that benefit all. Who knows with a lot more encourgment they may even be able to make a NEW uncheatable on=line version of Il-2 just for you guys..

I bet you never thought of that one..

of course you guys have attaked them so much already I don't believe that they would be to keen on that idea!

but if you actually met them half way they might consider it still..

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

sure I can. Of course. I believe the servers will really have to control this though somehow. No use punishing the majority of people who are playing very fair just because of a few rotten apples. The one site I know of really strives to not allow any cheats whatsoever. Sites like this should be encouraged to develop mods that benefit all. Who knows with a lot more encourgment they may even be able to make a NEW uncheatable on=line version of Il-2 just for you guys..

I bet you never thought of that one..

of course you guys have attaked them so much already I don't beleve thet would to two keen on that idea!

but if you actually met them half way they might consider it still..

Now this is the kind of sensible conversation we need to be having. I agree with all points here. In fact, I removed the 6DOF mod because it is potentially controversial and I do want to be able to fly on all servers without having an unfair advantage. None of the other mods offer an unfair advantage so far. I think the mod community and the opposing community need to work together to come up with a viable solution that offers at least the following:

1. A "mod friendly" environment for those that want to do pretty much whatever.

2. A way to have completely stock il2 guarentied.

3. And a way for those who want the middle ground, additional flyables and better sounds/texture/maps, but no unfair advantages and definitely no FM/DM changes.

If we can come up with a way to do this and then self police the cheaters I think we'll make something good of all this mess yet.

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

Now this is the kind of sensible conversation we need to be having. I agree with all points here. In fact, I removed the 6DOF mod because it is potentially controversial and I do want to be able to fly on all servers without having an unfair advantage. None of the other mods offer an unfair advantage so far. I think the mod community and the opposing community need to work together to come up with a viable solution that offers at least the following:

1. A "mod friendly" environment for those that want to do pretty much whatever.

2. A way to have completely stock il2 guarentied.

3. And a way for those who want the middle ground, additional flyables and better sounds/texture/maps, but no unfair advantages and definitely no FM/DM changes.

If we can come up with a way to do this and then self police the cheaters I think we'll make something good of all this mess yet.

In the end I admit it takes the community, especially those on servers that know each other, to police itself. I've seen all the mod's available and most do not offer any type of advantage over another player.

On that same note, there are ideas floating around there that suggest things that could offer said advantage. It's nothing drastic or anything to do with FM, DM or weapon modification, just things like I mentioned before about the 190 bar removal. Thats great for offline, but for online, I have to say I'd say no way unless everyone has it, but they won't.

As far as the Frankenplane ideas, although they may be cool ideas in a way, I don't really support that, even though it is only a visual modification.

Overall it seems like the guys that run that site have made it clear that they will not support any FM, DM or weapon modifications whatsoever. That for me makes me feel a little better.

Concerning the EULA, we shouldn't really even worry ourselves about that. It hasn't gotten any of us anywhere and none of us are lawyers or are we representing 1C or UBI. I hear what both sides are saying, valid points, but it is just taking this thread down the drain.

What can we do to 1. keep online play fair and clean?
2. have both sides coexist in peace?

There has to be some middle ground otherwise you can just kiss this sim and community goodbye.