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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 09-28-2012, 08:24 AM
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As one of the original 'true believers' in this game it has taken a long time for me to feel so disillusioned, angry and let down. The reasons for this are completely due to the actions of Luthier and the devs. Repeated faith, belief and patience has been proved to be misplaced - solely by their actions and their actions alone. Many of the people who I now find myself categorised with as a 'whinger' or malcontent are people I have argued with or dismissed in the past. That their opinions have been proved right over time is not at all the outcome I would have preferred, but my eyes are open enough to see that that is the case and I am honest enough to admit it.
Excellent post. A pity more people don't have the balls.
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:24 AM
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You know one of the reasons I come here is that I feel envigorated due to the fact that it's easy to feel happy when I'm surrounded by misserable people wallowing in their self pitty.

It actually makes my life look really peachy keen and rosey!

The news and/or patch will either arive when it's ready or it won't. Need to deal with that guys! Keep up the good work Devs!

As a side note I've had to cut my goatee into a nasty looking mustache to go to a swinging 70's Party to night.

Catch you all on the filp side fella's!

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Old 09-28-2012, 08:43 AM
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I never said it involved Jason buying out 1C who I know are a massive set up, I meant if perhaps he could acquire the IL2 franchise from Maddox games, I didn`t think it would be necessary to spell it out in full but I guess the finer points of the English language may not be obvious to the non English.

We suspect Jason either wouldn`t or couldn`t anyway, but if you want a fine example of how a dev involves himself with the community then Jason is a prime case, wow he even goes and answers questions on the forum, his team fixed a dog of a game and his set up continues to release 300+mb patches on a regular basis and thanks the purchasers for supporting his efforts.

So to put it in an easy to understand way, Maddox Games (if it`s still called that) could learn a lot from how the RoF team support and approach their community, if the reader is so blind that they deny thats fact then I`m obviously pissing in the wind.
You must of missed the ROF turmoil when it was also released "unfinished" albeit not as "unfinished" as COD was. Jason bought into ROF after the game engine was finished and now has a very good idea what the game engine can accomplish, so he can answer questions and provide updates with confidence. At the moment Luthier doesn't have that luxury, the much more complex COD game engine still requires alot of work. Even if Jason was able to buy COD months ago, it would not have been possible for him to confidently say what the future would hold for the sim, nevermind meaningful updates. That said the future of COD and the new IL-2 series will be told soon enough, they are running out of time.
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:02 AM
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Default I was involved in the Beta of RoF Chivas

I do remember Chivas, none of us could believe it when they said the Beta was over and they were releasing it, it was a bomb site full of bugs. I think they`ll fix this game at some point, but they need a better public face which costs nothing.
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the much more complex COD game engine
Really? How do you know it's MUCH more complex than the ROF engine?
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I have no problem with your post and relaxed approach, that's good for you But this....

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Keep up the good work Devs!
...is just total balls mate.
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Really? How do you know it's MUCH more complex than the ROF engine?
I think it's because 777 have stated the limitations of their engine. They (apparently) have limitations with the top speeds and achievable heights of modelling in the atmosphere. A ROF flying mate told me, so don't shoot the messenger. It could be rubbish though, I'm interested to hear the truth though myself.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:11 PM
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I think it's because 777 have stated the limitations of their engine. They (apparently) have limitations with the top speeds and achievable heights of modelling in the atmosphere. A ROF flying mate told me, so don't shoot the messenger. It could be rubbish though, I'm interested to hear the truth though myself.
Also, RoF has a nasty fundamental flaw in how it models cross-winds effects. (in short, cross wind rolls the aircraft). Jason acknowledged it, and said there's nothing they can do to fix it, short of a whole rewrite.

Big flaw indeed for what is otherwise an excellent flight sim.
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So then why say "i will be back to anwser your questions later"?
that's already been answered by Black6 in this thread

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This is my fault. I should collect 5-10 old questions and send them to Ilya. But I made new threads and I collected over 200 questions. I don't know when he'll find time for this.
hopefully that means it will be this WE, but maybe it will be later

if you try and remember the last post luthier made, where he said he would answer some questions, he stated that they had reached an important milestone in development (presumably the new stable gfx engine which is largely bug free and performs well, as well as their progress of work in the BoM sequel) and were now submitting their next schedule for work/release-dates to the bean counters, and luthier indicated that if accepted he intended to put one last push into the big CoD patch with the main fixes (eg, even hm putting that time and effort into CoD is subject to their approval !)

with luthier being swamped with a deluge of questions ( AND a large amount of abuse, which would make him less cooperative rather then more),and him being subject to some restrictions on what he can say regarding further/future development, and him not yet knowing if his new subjected timelines are going to be accepted (which includes him asking for time to spend on the CoD patch) i am not surprised he didnt linger. hopefully luthier will soon have a better idea what amount of time he can spend on CoD fixes (and this will allow him to determine what he can include), and i suspect that with the recent development milestone being reached we might also get the "big announcement" soon (the one that was delayed a couple of months ago, and which many here expected were related to the MMO)

your mind, and many of the disgruntled "fans" here works in overdrive and is on a perpetual very short fuse, in contrast the progress and evolution of luthiers team has been almost in slow motion because of their small team and the almost overwhelming task they had in fixing/rewriting the game engine while simultaneously working on BoM in the last year (the first 6 months post CoD release were wasting in trying to fix it)

if that rate of progress is to slow for some peoples frayed nerves, then dont keep watching the paint dry, come back every 3 or 4 months to see what further progress has been made and if new patches are out. if you do have some interest in having as comprehensive and thorough a patch for CoD as possible, then join the technical discussions in threads that are trying to identify and quantify the existing bugs. just bitching at everything and making irrational "demands" doesnt serve any purpose and compounds the problems we already have
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I have no problem with your post and relaxed approach, that's good for you But this....



...is just total balls mate.
Isn't he talking about BoM, the game announced......


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