Why does luthier even bother?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

i'm very sorry about having disturbed this wonderful thread. i will keep my dumb feedback to holy beta patches for me in future. very sorry again just to talk about this.

And I am very sorry that you are not able to admit you didn't and don't understand what 'beta' means

[Trooper117]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

So what part of PM me did you not understand?

Hey you self obsessed fub.. want to challenge me to a bit of PM bullying? because thats what you are, arrogant, large, internet bully boy..
C'mon fub.. PM me and lets get at it.. and yes, I remember you from AAA, you were just the same then, and the whole forum went downhill as soon as the likes of you started berating people who didn't agree with you..
C'mon big boy, lets go!

[zwiebacksaege]

that's the way life is... no light without shadow. there will always be dumb people like me.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Trooper117

Hey you self obsessed fub.. want to challenge me to a bit of PM bullying? because thats what you are, arrogant, large, internet bully boy..
C'mon fub.. PM me and lets get at it.. and yes, I remember you from AAA, you were just the same then, and the whole forum went downhill as soon as the likes of you started berating people who didn't agree with you..
C'mon big boy, lets go!

LOL

Trooper.. let it go! Before you pop something you need!

Its not the betas what bothers me. In fact we are all using betas on our own. It helps fixing bugs. Its the fact that the game was released in alpha stage and was sold and advertised as complete and working product. Why they dont have dedicated beta team like in ROF? Why the sim wasnt beta tested (obviously wasnt) with help of dedicated beta team before release? This way we could avoid all the mess, hate and BAD ad for this sim.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

that's the way life is... no light without shadow. there will always be dumb people like me.

Never said you were dumb

None of us knows everything!

We all have our strong and weak points

What sets us apart in the end is if we can admit we have weak points

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Couldn't have put it better meself, ed.

Bravo.

[zwiebacksaege]

no of course you don't. you imply it with your high-handed style.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Mate, I have no personal issues with you at all.
that is completely childish. I don't even post in the modding forums any-more because I haven't played Il-2 1946 for ages.
I'm quite bemused by that, as I always thought you were a fairly mature individual. Tangent topics? I have stayed on topic, and have no wish to appear hypocritical, unlike yourself.
Irrelevent personal issues aside, it is quite clear why you don't wish to challenge my argument; because it quite clearly embodies the idea of a 'Beta' 'patch' in a rather more fluid, eloquent way than what has been posted previously. But it is a debate, and I'm happy for someone to disagree. At the end of the day, it is just my opinion.

So no hard feelings on my part, but I'm sorry that I have upset you.

EDIT-to save further posting, the PM part which I misunderstood was that I have no wish to regurgiate past activities and have personal discussions. I only posted here to have my opinion voiced; I didn't expect personal challenge. Moderator, feel free to delete these irrelevent posts if you wish. Thank you.

Couldn't have put it better meself, ed.

Bravo.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Its not the betas what bothers me.

Funny in that in your earlier post that seemed to be exactly what was bothering you

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

In fact we are all using betas on our own. It helps fixing bugs.

It can help

But when people expect a 'beta' patch to be 'bug free' and/or not 'change' anything to the point that they get so upset that they fall to the floor in the fetal position as if 1C touched them in their NO NO place.. Well that is not helpful

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Its the fact that the game was released in alpha stage and was sold and advertised as complete and working product.

Not fact

Your opinion

As I asked someone else in an earlier post

Can you point to something advertised on the side of the box that is NOT provided? Something real like "15 FLYABLE AIRCRAFT" when there is only 10 flyable, and not something subjective/debatable like "MOST REALISTIC FLIGHT MODEL"

Because I have looked and I don't see anything missing

And if you were expecting a 'bug free' software product on DAY ONE

Well that is another thread in and of itself that would be along the same lines of not understanding what 'beta' means, but more along the lines of 'unrealistic expectations'

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Why they don't have dedicated beta team like in ROF?

If I had to guess it might have something to do with RoF charging $ for add ons

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Why the sim wasn't beta tested (obviously wasn't) with help of dedicated beta team before release?

Once again you have proved you do not understand what 'beta' means and that you have not concept of what goes into software development

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

This way we could avoid all the mess, hate and BAD ad.

Best way to avoid it is for people who don't understand the what 'beta' means and the concept of beta testing is for them to not download 'BETA' patches

It really is that simple