Todays the day

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Pluto

... value of human life ?

Humans are like locusts, they appear in masses and destroy everything on their way. They come to a territory, occupy and exploit it until there is nothing left for other lifeforms.
They need no protection, they are like a virus that causes diseases.
What needs protection is the planet, protection from a disease called mankind.
By the way, a capitalist rule says, the cheapest product is the one that is available in abundance. Seen from this point of view, life of man is the cheapest form of life on earth.

Well you could lead by example and eliminate yourself

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by Hunden

Well you could lead by example and eliminate yourself

... seen from an objective point of view you are right, I`m not worth much more than you or anyone else and we are both rather part of the problem than of the solution and we both are expendable.
But there is one thing called "instinct of preservation" that every lifeform has and because of that, my life to me is the most precious form of life on earth and I would do anything to protect it. That has nothing to do with rationalism, it rather has to do with instinct. Dont forget, besides beeing "the crown of creation", (what we like to call ourselves), we are all nothing but animals.

[bongodriver]

so what you are saying is we should all kill each other.....

[robtek]

Of course, that happens from time to time and is called war.
Thats nature protecting itself by creating people like Stalin, Hitler or Mao.
They exterminate a part of the "problem", politics is only our explanation for it.
And as everybody can see, nature gets better and better during the centuries to reach its target.
A small population of humans living in harmony with the rest of the creation.

Seriously.

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

so what you are saying is we should all kill each other.....

.... no, we should all change our attitude, our way of thinking.

Due to the fact that man has such a big brain and therefore is capable of very complex thinking, he should also realise his position among the lifeforms of this planet. He should be in charge to protect the planet but as most of us are still living with the hunters instincts of the stoneage (I`m not excluding myself, that is also a reason why we like this game), we rather destroy everything instead of protecting it.

If we dont want to continue to evolve, nature is going to take care of it and wipe out the problem with a big comet ore something as desastrous as that.
Dont worry, life will continue - just without us !

[bongodriver]

so what we need is an organization of sorts that will try to influence our thinking and make us all think alike.....sounds brilliant why hasn't this been done before.

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

so what we need is an organization of sorts that will try to influence our thinking and make us all think alike.....sounds brilliant why hasn't this been done before.

no, forced brainwashing will not solve the problem. We need no robots.
If you are forced to think differently, it is not really you. You have to be convinced by yourself that a change of attitude is necessary, only then you can also convince others.


PS: by the way, the brainwashing by organisations is already possible and also done but not for the good of the planet.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...er_control.htm

[bongodriver]

Yeah exactly....we need an individual on a higher plain of enlightenment....a messiah if you like who will influence a small group who will in turn spread the message of enlightenment to the masses......genious.

[bongodriver]

That link was perfect....now whe have a text from which to recite the 'message' from, even better it plays on the insecurities of the human mind like paranoia and fear of our own mortality, that is sure to make the masses come in droves to heed the 'word'.

[roadczar]

Originally Posted by Pluto

dont tell that to Seashepherd and be glad I havent seen it,....
http://www.seashepherd.org/

What would have you done if you were there?