Hotas setup for the upcoming Cliffs of Dover

[roadczar]

Originally Posted by Matt255

OK, some throttles died (do you have an ASUS motherboard? seems like those could be the problem in combination with the Warthog), but spikey axes are pretty much impossible with hall-effect sensors (the Warthog has no potis anywhere) and i never ever heard anything about spikey axes with the Warthog EVER.

And yes, i own that thing since november.

Yes, Asus MB. I will see how it goes - should have it on Thursday.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by swiss

Well those are the latest, and maybe, aren't superior at all...

If you have the chance try to look at the saitek pedals ($113) in real life.
The ones I had in my hands felt pretty wobbly*. Of course they still can last several years - but it's something that kept me from buying them.
and the fact the ask $150 for them over here, the combat pedals aren' even available.

You wont find cheaper ones though. Maybe you should also check ebay for CH's (USB!)..

*poor craftsmanship (true Saitek standards)

The Saitek are $115 and the CH $105 cant decide yet.

[roadczar]

Originally Posted by Chivas

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The new Thrustmaster Warthog was exceedingly smooth except travelling thru center. All these sticks couldn't compare to the smoothness and accuracy of the MSFF2.

I currently use the Cougar throttle and Saitek Pro Rudders, with the MSFF2.

Hey Chivas it's been a while!

So you like MSFF2 better than Warthog? What happened to your Warthog setup?

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by roadczar

Hey Chivas it's been a while!

So you like MSFF2 better than Warthog? What happened to your Warthog setup?

Hey road...good ta cya

The Warthog was a beautiful peice of kit, and the ball joint (non gimbal system) was exceptionally smooth. Except while traveling thru center where there was a considerable change in force required. I also had some flaky buttons on the throttle so I descided to send it back and maybe purchase another in a year or so if they update the stick.

Unfortunately I still can't find a joystick better than the MSFF2, combined with the Cougar throttle and Saitek Pro rudders.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Royraiden

With problems or without?I guess you meant without.Can you use them without the software?Saitek software seems to be quite infamous.

Yes I meant without problems, and yes you can use them without the software. The rudders are well made, but I wouldn't recommend an X52 joystick. Your best option is a MSFF2 which you can still pickup new on ebay, barring that the CH products are well built and will last forever.

There are some Microsoft SideWinder Precision 2 Joystick for USB Port on ebay ranging for 9 dollars and 39 dollars used and I think a couple of new ones ranging from 75 to 150 dollars.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Yes I meant without problems, and yes you can use them without the software. The rudders are well made, but I wouldn't recommend an X52 joystick. Your best option is a MSFF2 which you can still pickup new on ebay, barring that the CH products are well built and will last forever.

There are some Microsoft SideWinder Precision 2 Joystick for USB Port on ebay ranging for 9 dollars and 39 dollars used and I think a couple of new ones ranging from 75 to 150 dollars.

Im convinced to buy the CH Combatstick,was about to buy it yesterday but Im gonna wait till friday when I get paid.

[ghodan]

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by ghodan

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

Optical sensors which almost don't wear at all over time - and the fact that people are still using them after ~10 years. If that isn't a testament to its quality I don't know what is. Not to mention that it is very precise (not on the Warthog and moded Cougar level but still very accurate).

G940 pots start to wear under a year, or so people say. Then there are other issues with it - bad cabling inside the throttle section (results in spiking), reversal bug (albeit removed but only for the stick, all other trim tabs & rudder pedals still have it), etc...

A real shame, Logitech could have had the best all around stick/HOTAS/system out there but they failed in doing so.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ghodan

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

Better for... IL2.
Could be due to some driver issue as well - game and stick have roughly the same age.
Expect your G940 to work better in CoD.


I just bought a used FF2, should arrive tomorrow. I wonder how I'll like it.

Originally Posted by T}{OR

A real shame, Logitech could have had the best all around stick/HOTAS/system out there but they failed in doing so.

Thrustmaster: "Our joystick is metal, precision made, costs a fortune, but we still use some of the cheapest parts possible just to save $3.00 a unit".

Logitech: "We give you the whole deal, plus Force-feedback! Only we don't do any manner of in-depth or long-term testing, plus we use cheap pots! Did we mention we only update our software every 4 years?"

Saitek: "We're the joystick equivalent of Russian Roulette! Come on and take a chance! Every 10th customer is a winner!"

CH: "Yes! We're still in business. Our rudder pedals might make you infertile and our product line looks like a cataloge from 1995, but we make quality stuff."