IL2 and Sound Modding

[robtek]

i´ve just read that post from fireflyerz who is very enthusiastic about the sound-hack.
i for myself think that hack is only usable to watch tracks but there it is great.
in the game however i really miss all the acoustical feedback from the original sound.
As long as that is not implemented this hack is all show but no gain.
I´ve also tried the 6dof-hack and i must concede it is great but again it is only usable if everybody uses it, if not it is a cheat and useless for ernest online play.
so i´ve tried some hacks and i´ve found them wanting.

[Rama]

@jason: maybe your last message was joke, but your previous wasn't... and the question you answered was about _online WWII combatflight sim_.

In any case, I tried BoB II to.... stayed less than 1 week on my DD.

[jasonbirder]

Fair point...I only read the WWII Flight Sim Part...
Though it was a bit of a redundant question..the market isn't exactly flooded with competitors is it...and nothing is so good it can't be improved on!

[Rama]

Sure.... nothing is perfect, and everything can be improved.
IL2 is a perfect example, having been improved constantly during the 6 years of its life (still not being perfect, and even largelly perfectable on many points... I agree).

The problem is that "improvement" without quality control do produce a bit of real "first class" improvement.... and a huge bunch of .... stuff who's "improvement" only in the mind of their creators (I stay polite... but "garbage stuff" is usually more appropriated).

Now who can do a quality control with some expertise... and while being accepted by all players as a reference?
There's only one answer that can satisfy most of the players (if not all.... except maybe some modders, thoses who will see their creation rejected...)... it's the game dev.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Yeah you're right! EAW, Falcon 4, Janes F/A18 etc etc...they were all crap! I'll bow to your superior knowledge and discernement!

That "crap" part was mostly directed at CFS1-3 since we are talking about online WWII sims, and European Air War is just..old.

[LEXX]

Baron::

CFS may have been "improved" by mods into MAW, but that doesnt change the fact that MAW is a piece of garbage. (in my humble opinion that is)

And im not even comparing it to IL2, its a peice of garbage all by its own, propably because its based on CFS game engine more than anything else.

No opinion on MAW myself other than some may enjoy it for whatever reason. The CFS core coding was abandoned by Microsoft long ago while Oleg continued to improve his. However, the anti-social forum behavior "garbage" insult fails to prevent people moving to the FB/PF mods, unfortunately unauthorized, and may even encourage mod use here by showing that hostile anonymous public server computer gamer social behavior is to be ignored.

Baron::

Remember offline is not the same as online. Online is what we are talking about, thats what all this is about.

Until we support Oleg Maddox ourselves by paying a Monthly Fee for cheat-free anonymous public server gameplay, we are talking about Offline players.

There was another way: Sharing our sim with Offline players through Maddox approved methods, but we declined this opportunity to help our fellow customers by trashing them (and other Online players) on the western publisher's forum, accusing them of "wanting to cheat online." Now we pay the price, and get what we asked for -- a hack that is growing in popularity instead of officially approved tools that Oleg could keep from being used on anonymous public servers.

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by LEXX

Now we pay the price, and get what we asked for -- a hack that is growing in popularity instead of officially approved tools that Oleg could keep from being used on anonymous public servers.

That part is just absurd. So if I leave my car unlocked and some jerk steals it, I asked for it and he shouldn't be held accountable? C'mon. lol

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

That part is just absurd. So if I leave my car unlocked and some jerk steals it, I asked for it and he shouldn't be held accountable? C'mon. lol

It was so asinine I just couldn't even bring myself to even respond to it...

[crazyivan1970]

Man ohh man... and saga continues

How about summing it all up and call it a day...

Problems:
1) Code was hacked and .... tools released - Thanks QTim, man of his word!! Not!.
2) Everyone and his brother can stick their sticky fingers and make up things to their liking.
3) Online part of the community is upset.
4) Offline part of the community is excited.
5) Online part of the community is mad on offline part for being excited...
6) Everyone fights over their own POV.
7) 1C forum turned into battlefield.

I can go on and on based on the 100+ pages.. but as i said before.. there is only one solution for ALL the problems and there is absolutely no need to repeat the problems over and over..

Solution:
Reliable server side check for validity of the IL-2 installation.

Result - all problems will go away If Oleg will not have time to produce this solution, someone else will. Have faith, the person that you arguing with might be the hot #$#it programmer that could make things happen, he could be the one that comes up with solution. So, lets wait till the final patch and take it from there.

[Thunderbolt56]

IL2 Punkbuster ftw!!!

At least for another year or so.