Friday Update, June 15, 2012

[senseispcc]

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I shall buy BoM, Battle over Moscow if this is the tittle of the next game of the IL2 series. I did buy the entire collection and never been deceived even by CoD with many his bugs but still playable with big and powerful PC’s. I am certain that the team of programmers shall make the game work like they did make work the previous versions. IL2 was not build in one day!

[FS~Phat]

Guys its time to take this OFF TOPIC discussion to a new thread. This thread is specifically for Friday update and you have all taken liberties with the dx9/Xp discussion and other off topic discussion, to the point where this update thread was unreadable.

Any further DX9 / XP discussion here please!!!! >>> http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32712

Anything else irrelevant and off topic will be deleted without further notice!

[catito14]

Back on topic .... where is the patch? ...or maybe i need to ask ... WHEN, in the name of God, you will release the patch?

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Force10

No need for pm's. We can see clearly from Luthier's post he didn't state what would or would not make it into the sim as you stated. I didn't see AI, no radio commands, Ainti epliepsy filter, trees you could fly through, etc. etc.

Yes need for PMs. Or all off-topic posts disappear.
This thread is for asking questions on the update information. It's not about playing civil prosecutor and defence attorney for the dev team.

Phat politely asked you guys to create a new thread for this discussion or use the available forum features (like PMs) to discuss it among yourselves. He didn't say you can't discuss it, he just pointed out that it's better to discuss it in its own, dedicated venue. The guy asks something in a very acceptable, non-offending manner and you keep going at it, just blatantly ignoring him.

Maybe i'm being a bit blunt here, but i'll be honest with you all. I'm human like everyone else and some things annoy me. Out of all these things there's nothing that grinds my gears like good old fashioned, in-your-face, lack of conversation manners and a modicum of the least possible respect that should be mutually afforded when dealing with another person.

If you guys can claim human nature to excuse repeated off-topic posts and lack of self-control, i can do the same to excuse my itchy trigger finger that's hovering over the infraction button as we speak. We're all equal here and it's part of my (unpaid and volunteer) job to make sure that everybody understands it and acts accordingly. Incidentally, that is the only reason i'm wasting my time writing this diatribe instead of immediately clicking through the screens leading to a ban: i prefer that people know what is acceptable and what is not in this forum, so they can make their own decisions about getting banned or not.

Discuss whatever you want but please, for the love of God, take it to the appropriate section and thread, so that people can see the headline and decide if they are interested or not. People doing their best to vent in the threads with the most views, it's something that amounts to strapping everyone down into a chair and screaming "you WILL listen to me". It's too clockwork orange, don't you think?

If some people don't want to go through the topics you bring up, they should have that choice just like you have the choice of discussing them: one topic per thread, in the appropriate section. Might be broad or narrow, but it's one, for reasons of readability.

You know i can rearrange the offending posts whichever way and the fastest one is to simply bin them. Please save me some time, display some respect for your fellow forums users and do it yourselves, and they stand a good chance of remaining posted. You have all necessary means at your disposal and no excuse not to, so complaints to the tune of "my freedom of speech" won't fly if you keep this up and offending posts start disappearing. Our freedom of speech stops where the other guy's starts. Having each and every thread dominated by the same people arguing about the same topics is not respecting that boundary and then i have to be all mean and stuff.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

[MD_Marx]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Yes need for PMs. Or all off-topic posts disappear.
This thread is for asking questions on the update information. It's not about playing civil prosecutor and defence attorney for the dev team.

Phat politely asked you guys to create a new thread for this discussion or use the available forum features (like PMs) to discuss it among yourselves. He didn't say you can't discuss it, he just pointed out that it's better to discuss it in its own, dedicated venue. The guy asks something in a very acceptable, non-offending manner and you keep going at it, just blatantly ignoring him.

Maybe i'm being a bit blunt here, but i'll be honest with you all. I'm human like everyone else and some things annoy me. Out of all these things there's nothing that grinds my gears like good old fashioned, in-your-face, lack of conversation manners and a modicum of the least possible respect that should be mutually afforded when dealing with another person.

If you guys can claim human nature to excuse repeated off-topic posts and lack of self-control, i can do the same to excuse my itchy trigger finger that's hovering over the infraction button as we speak. We're all equal here and it's part of my (unpaid and volunteer) job to make sure that everybody understands it and acts accordingly. Incidentally, that is the only reason i'm wasting my time writing this diatribe instead of immediately clicking through the screens leading to a ban: i prefer that people know what is acceptable and what is not in this forum, so they can make their own decisions about getting banned or not.

Discuss whatever you want but please, for the love of God, take it to the appropriate section and thread, so that people can see the headline and decide if they are interested or not. People doing their best to vent in the threads with the most views, it's something that amounts to strapping everyone down into a chair and screaming "you WILL listen to me". It's too clockwork orange, don't you think?

If some people don't want to go through the topics you bring up, they should have that choice just like you have the choice of discussing them: one topic per thread, in the appropriate section. Might be broad or narrow, but it's one, for reasons of readability.

You know i can rearrange the offending posts whichever way and the fastest one is to simply bin them. Please save me some time, display some respect for your fellow forums users and do it yourselves, and they stand a good chance of remaining posted. You have all necessary means at your disposal and no excuse not to, so complaints to the tune of "my freedom of speech" won't fly if you keep this up and offending posts start disappearing. Our freedom of speech stops where the other guy's starts. Having each and every thread dominated by the same people arguing about the same topics is not respecting that boundary and then i have to be all mean and stuff.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

Well, if no-one else will, then I'll say it: message understood BlackDog- - and thanks for your candour (love the reference to Clockwork Orange - bang on!)

Marx

[FS~Phat]

Thanks for the support Blackdog!

Guys not only did you go on and ignore me you also ignored Blackdog.

Thats TWO moderators trying to be fair and give you guys some gentle guidance and yet you blatantly ignore us?

Start a new topic for your OFF TOPIC discussions. OR better still, bite your tongue! Most of the "discussion" (I use the term loosely) in here has no relevance to the topic and is just a small minority getting on their high-horse.

It's gotta stop so this update thread can be useful to those that want to ask constructive questions or make a request.

Here's a really simple test you should ask yourself before you post anything in this update thread.

1. Am I asking a question of the devs (or B6) relevant to the update?

2. Am I asking my fellow flying 'buddies' a question relevant to the update?

3. Am I answering a question with an opinion that is 'considered' and relevant to both the question asked and the subjects presented in the update.

4. Am I offering an opinion or discussion of a relevant subject from the update and is it constructive. (yes we do take constructive criticism too as long your not being rude or disrespectful)

If you cant make a comment that fits any of those criteria above then perhaps you should consider whether it warrants being said at all. And if you think it doesnt fit and would still like to discuss it, take it to a new thread in the appropriate forum.

Please consider this thread is not a place to have a lengthy conversation as if it were a private conversation. If something turns into a lengthy debate or useful discussion as sometimes happens, please use your own judgment and request a new thread from a moderator and we will move stuff for you.

It's very hard to get anything useful from this thread for anyone if it is constantly polluted by a series of arguments over several pages that often have very little relevance to the actual update and not at all helpful to anyone.

I will be monitoring and moving or deleting so please dont make it harder than it needs to be!

[Bobb4]

It seems by the OP that we are nearing a workable beta for all or have i got it wrong?

[Buzpilot]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Evening gentlemen,

A very short update today. We’re continuing to work on the patch. It’s largely done but DX9 stability remains an issue so we’ve had a quick discussion a few minutes ago and decided to let it simmer a bit longer.
We did make some progress this week. On the graphics front, we did make a lot of improvements on the always troublesome DX9 support, and we also fixed a lot of smaller bugs and made some improvements to the clouds.
On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do, and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers. Most of this work is, of course, based on the very helpful reports and suggestions from the community.
We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.

Have a great weekend!

I don't really see why it should be necessary to move this discussion into a different thread, after all much of the update is about Dx9 problems.

[Allons!]

I cant see any relevant dicussable content in the Friday Updates that demand keeping these threads open, so why, Mods, dont you just close them ??? Best, Allons!

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by Allons!

I cant see any relevant dicussable content in the Friday Updates that demand keeping these threads open, so why, Mods, dont you just close them ??? Best, Allons!

+1

I agree, leave them open for a set amount of days, mod the crap out of them when the posts are not direct questions to the devs, then after set amount of days lock it.