4.12 development update discussion and feedback

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Oh, did I say I can't wait for flyable Hawk 75s?

I'd personally prefer a P-36 or a H75-C1, as I do like the U.S. and french camo more.

Nice shot!

[ElAurens]

My preference is the P36, be sure, but, the Finnish Hawks have the best chance of seeing use in IL2, they have the only real map to use them on.

Yes, I know about the Hawaii map, and yes that is the only time US P36s saw combat, but it still would be cool to find a way to use them.

We only have one map of France as well.

[Glider]

If you would like a what if type of scenario the RAF had I think about 200 P36 in reserve in early 1941

[ElAurens]

Yes they did.

Planes originally destined for France.

They ended up in North Africa and in the CBI theater of operations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRekbtRpU0

[Pips]

British Mohawks (P-36) even saw limited operational service in Burma.

[vanir]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Yes, I can imagine.



New FM is not set yet. So if you have any reference about its FM, don't hesitate to share, because we maybe don't have it yet.

Looks like the bulk of Finnish ones had the 1050hp (rated not WEP) twin wasp SC3-G motors.
Their real strength was dive speed. The factor that won the French order was a 400mph dive speed in show trials, considered totally remarkable at the time. I've got some anecdotes from the test pilot and ground crew for that trial but no performance tables or anything, just his description and some figures here and there.

[ElAurens]

At the Curtiss demonstration of dive speed for the French, an amazingly high, 575 mph, was reported, but this was due mostly to error in the recording instruments. Still, the Hawk 75 could dive much faster than the unthinkably low 390mph IAS limit that was artificially placed on it by the USAAC. After all, this is the same basic airframe used in the Hawk 81 versions of the P40, and they were good for what?, 500mph IAS in the dive?

Also of note, the P36 was the first US Army aircraft with any kind of red line speed restrictions. We were entering a new world of aircraft performance.

Not bad for a design that dates to 1934.

[Lagarto]

IIRC, Vichy air force flew its Hawks against USN Wildcats during the Torch landings...


...which might have looked like this:

[_1SMV_Gitano]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Planes originally destined for France.

They ended up in North Africa [...]

You mean East Africa, right?

[ElAurens]

The Vichy pilots fared very poorly against the USN's Wildcats. I don't think I would necessarly blame this on the aircraft.

And as a side note, I have always wondered why the Vichy French attacked Allied forces. Very odd looking at it from our time.