Look what I saw flying today!

[Viking]

I never tough that I would one day say that I agree with Herman Göring.

A good one Galway! Should be printed on the first page in every schoolbook on earth.

Regards
Viking

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Hunden

I'm pretty sure the wolfs came knocking 70 years ago and my Grand Father came to your Grand Daddys aid just like I would even tho you would spit in my face afterwards. Its just who you are.

As far as I can recall, the US became actively involved in WW2 only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour and Hitler declared war on the US.
This was in December 1941 and so was quite a significant length of time after the Battle of Britain.
There was a bit more to it than simply 'coming to our Grand Daddy's aid'.
After all, we'd been fighting since Sept 1939. The USAAF were involved from 1942.
Britain couldn't have mounted the D-Day invasion and subsequent Second Front in 1944 without the involvement of the US. Also the Materiel provided by lend-lease, and the loan of cash to fund the necessary war machine mostly came from the US.
Had the US not become involved, either financially or in actual participation, the prospect then was either that Germany would beat Russia, and all Europe would be Nazi, or Russia would beat Germany, and all Europe would be Communist. Stalin would have then been knocking at our door.
Horrible prospects either way.

BTW, can we please not get involved in such mud-slinging matches and personal attacks? Everyone's entitled to their views. Both Hunden and Andy I mean. Thanks.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

As far as I can recall, the US became actively involved in WW2 only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour and Hitler declared war on the US.
This was in December 1941 and so was quite a significant length of time after the Battle of Britain.
There was a bit more to it than simply 'coming to our Grand Daddy's aid'.
After all, we'd been fighting since Sept 1939. The USAAF were involved from 1942.
Britain couldn't have mounted the D-Day invasion and subsequent Second Front in 1944 without the involvement of the US. Also the Materiel provided by lend-lease, and the loan of cash to fund the necessary war machine mostly came from the US.
Had the US not become involved, either financially or in actual participation, the prospect then was either that Germany would beat Russia, and all Europe would be Nazi, or Russia would beat Germany, and all Europe would be Communist. Stalin would have then been knocking at our door.
Horrible prospects either way.

BTW, can we please not get involved in such mud-slinging matches and personal attacks? Everyone's entitled to their views. Both Hunden and Andy I mean. Thanks.

Excuse me for using the first number that came to mind (70) but if you want to knit pick be my guest.

[Splitter]

Hey Hunden, thank you for being a sheepdog, we need them.

I find it interesting that people in the military, or who have been in the military, tend to be more conservative. I am sure others would argue that "right wing warmongers" are drawn to military service. I am also sure that some would suggest that those in the military are brainwashed. My personal view is that they have just seen more and been made to grow up a bit more quickly. Churchill was right.

I recently helped out at a "wounded warriors shoot". One common thing that was said by the guys was that it was the first time in a long while that they could shoot without having someone shoot back at them . I get all gooey when I start thinking about the sacrifices some have made so that many can live freely. So thank you.

But seriously my friend, don't get upset with the people on the far left. They have their own little view of the world whatever it might be. No cause that doesn't threaten them directly is good enough to go to war over. Peace through disarmament, etc..

Just keep using logic and avoid calling them the names that run through your head lol. Usually, the logic drives them to start calling you names...then you have won. .

Sheepdogs do their job and get fed for it. They rarely get s scritch behind the ears and the flock will seldom show any gratitude.

Splitter

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

As far as I can recall, the US became actively involved in WW2 only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour and Hitler declared war on the US.
This was in December 1941 and so was quite a significant length of time after the Battle of Britain.
There was a bit more to it than simply 'coming to our Grand Daddy's aid'.
After all, we'd been fighting since Sept 1939. The USAAF were involved from 1942.
Britain couldn't have mounted the D-Day invasion and subsequent Second Front in 1944 without the involvement of the US. Also the Materiel provided by lend-lease, and the loan of cash to fund the necessary war machine mostly came from the US.
Had the US not become involved, either financially or in actual participation, the prospect then was either that Germany would beat Russia, and all Europe would be Nazi, or Russia would beat Germany, and all Europe would be Communist. Stalin would have then been knocking at our door.
Horrible prospects either way.

BTW, can we please not get involved in such mud-slinging matches and personal attacks? Everyone's entitled to their views. Both Hunden and Andy I mean. Thanks.

Yep, Dutch, we were late for the first one, late for the second one, and will probably be late for the third one. I say third one because, if you will recall, the first one was to be the war that ended all wars .

Americans often think that they won WWI and WWII. Especially WWII. We mainly see depictions of our own soldiers in movies and books so our view can get skewed. It's not arrogance, it's a lack of knowledge of history (our education system is the pits, especially in terms of history).

In looking back, it's apparent to me that either WW would not have been won without the US, but the US could not have won either war single handedly by a long shot. Both times we abandoned Europe to their own devices. Both times we were far from being "armed" enough to go to war in a serious way. Both times our troops and weapons were too few at the beginning but we were able to spool up our manufacturing (which we can't do anymore, btw).

It's important for Americans to realize that while they were absolutely needed, they were only a cog in the wheel of victory.

Splitter

[BadAim]

The problem here is that no one wants to admit that us human beings are a murderous lot. War will always be the outcome of interactions between groups of murderous folks. If there are groups that would prefer to stick their heads in the sand, it's OK, there are plenty of us who are sworn to save your upturned asses.

[He111]

Australia's F111s will soon be decomissioned! A trusty old workhorse with a long service life but never saw action.

He111.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by He111

Australia's F111s will soon be decomissioned! A trusty old workhorse with a long service life but never saw action.

He111.

They also serve who only stand and wait.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by He111

Australia's F111s will soon be decomissioned! A trusty old workhorse with a long service life but never saw action.
He111.

Always been fond of that A/C, there's a beautiful example at RAF Cosford Museum.
Always thought the UK should have bought some of them as well as Phantoms, when the TSR2 was cancelled.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Hunden

Excuse me for using the first number that came to mind (70) but if you want to knit pick be my guest.

Well, it is the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain, so maybe I'm a bit oversensitive!
No worries.

Splitter - Nicely balanced posts mate, cheers.