Friday 2010-07-30 Dev. update and Discussions

[kendo65]

Concerning the ongoing debate about criticism, whether Oleg and co want it, whether it's valid, useful, etc, etc, etc, I think the main issue has been that despite being told again and again and again that certain aspects are WIP and will be improved many of us seem incapable of really taking it on board.

It seems to raise a real sense of panic in some people to be confronted with the 'work in progress' aspects - as if they can't make the leap of faith needed to really believe that it will really be improved and get better.

They then feel compelled to point out the faults just in case Oleg and co haven't noticed. Unfortunately, in most cases I think they probably already knew. Then we work ourselves into a lather over 5 or 6 pages, before one of the dev team has to step in to cool things down by restating what was posted on Page 1: "This is WIP".

(Luthier has taken to near-pleading recently "Have some faith in us")

I think the developers had an interest in giving us an insight into the current state of play in the development process, sometimes 'warts and all', but they always told us when it was so. Seems they've concluded that the strategy was more trouble than it was worth and that we just weren't capable of handling the WIP elements.

A shame, but I can't say that I blame them.

Originally Posted by genbrien

would you please stop saying that in each thread, on multiple web sites... we kinda got the message

Thx

Well dont get upset with me I never suggested a BOB anniversary release date in 2010!! You have to keep saying it because there are a few on here who believe its going gold now whilst Oleg is on holiday..... honestly!!

[robtek]

And why shouldn't it???

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Zorin

It did look alright in previous screenshots, ut todays shot make them look like sitting too low in the cockpit. The way they look it appears to be impossible to look through the gun sight.

Previous = looks alright


Today = too low?


Original

I think this might just be the effect of the viewing angle. In all 3 shots you can see the pilots shoulders sitting above the canopy rails. To me this means the body position is probably correct.

Another factor to consider is the style of canopy. I too have read accounts of how close the canopy top was to the typical pilots head but from what I gather, these accounts were based on the heavy framed square canopy, not the lighter one with curved glass edges that we see here. Perhaps this type was introduced to rectify the head room problems? Dunno, I'm no expert.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Actually, it's clearly visible that the Ju88 closer to the camera has its elevators slightly deflected upwards, the one in front also has a slight upward elevator but it's harder to spot...maybe they've already used their ailerons to bank and they are now just pulling on the stick to make the turn.

Now, as for why they have the exact same control inputs, i think this is to save CPU power in AI calculations. Just like IL2, it seems that AI in formation tend to move in almost perfect unison (although AI planes still do wiggle back and forth a bit in formation, you can check this out if you engage autopilot and up the time compression a bit). It sure would be nice to have some variation to make it feel more "human", but it won't bother me much if it saves processing power for other equally important things.

My bad, just looked at the pic from my home computer with a bigger monitor and you are right. The control surfaces are moving. Thanks for setting me straight

[AdMan]

safe to say that terrain was not ready to have been shown

doh!

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by csThor

Ilya - Just to be sure I understand that correctly: You can select the german staff markings in any colour you wish, right? Because they were always only in black & white and sometimes even just in one of the two colours (or even just an outline in some rare cases). Or did I miss something here?

A bump for this as well. The tactical markings look a hundred times better than in stock IL2 (yes people, I know about MAT Manager), but it's important that the correct colors are used.

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

In real life some of the 109s did and some didn't during BoB. A similar situation to the Hurricane. If I recall correctly there were at least two Bf-109 micro-variants planned for this sim.

indeed! there was no "standard" how the 109 looked like during BoB.
the main versions were E-4 and E-1.

they could have the rounded or later canopy.
"external" windshield armour or not.
head armour or not.
rearview mirror or not.

its pure in 1Cs decission how the ingame 109E will look like !!
all is correct

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

You have to keep saying it because there are a few on here who believe its going gold now whilst Oleg is on holiday..... honestly!!

I also believe in Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny and the Soul Cake Duck!

Learning to live with disapointment is an aquired trait.

Cheers!

[Avala]

Originally Posted by Sutts

I think this might just be the effect of the viewing angle. In all 3 shots you can see the pilots shoulders sitting above the canopy rails. To me this means the body position is probably correct.

Another factor to consider is the style of canopy. I too have read accounts of how close the canopy top was to the typical pilots head but from what I gather, these accounts were based on the heavy framed square canopy, not the lighter one with curved glass edges that we see here. Perhaps this type was introduced to rectify the head room problems? Dunno, I'm no expert.

Thats a midget pilot. In previous image he brought his phone books and encyclopedias in the cockpit to seat on them. This friday he forgot them.