Friday 2010-02-05 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

One thing that bothers me about the BOB SOW.

I still run the BOB II WOV every now and then.

It haunts heck outta my thinking.

The .303 guns on the British aircraft

The 109E isn't that bad at least it has a cannon.

I've got enormous respect for the RAF pilots.

The lack of firepower shakes my joints to think how tough it was to get a kill.

After all the firepower of IL2 I don't know what to expect.

Maybe my expectations are ill conceived.

I sure hope so.

The way it looks --> flying the Hurricane and Spit with pea shooters against cannons

I don't think it will be a problem as the damage model will much more sophisticated in SOW so the kills maybe much easier in a SOW Hurricane than a IL-2 Hurricane. That said I thought the IL-2 Hurricane"s 303's were quite devastating especially when you hit at convergence.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

That's incorrect In fact the shields are missing from the upper walk way either side of the crest equidistant from the towers.

The metal work on the bridge was reddish brown, and the lamps dark green. as were most thing in those days it was a common colour scheme

http://www.thetowerbridge.info/video...paint-analysis


Here's the restoration history of the bridge >> http://www.thetowerbridge.info/


At 1.45

Also see the vid posted earlier in this thread and you see a 40's Tower bridge the same colour as the 1cTeams at approx 3 mins in.

The "coat of arms" can be seen on both these films .

The first film is dated prior to 1920 judging by the cars and film technique. The second does show the coat of arms, but as the pictures I provided showed that they were not present from 1939-1946 it shouldn't be there in BoB. Additionally, it doesn't look like the 1C one. It is as dark as can be seen in the photographs.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

I think you'll find that it is evolved from actual combat clothing. From the late 18th Century through World War 1 they were used throughout British Empire. There were minor changes to colars, cuffs, lapels and pockets but the basic design was used right up to modern times, though as you say it has become more cerimonial now. The basic pattern was used by many different nations, just altered to suit the style/culture of the nation in question.

The Jackets are tailored around the chest/torso so you don't catch or snag on anything and the waist flares to give your lower body freedom. When used in conjunction with the webbing it was designed to ensure lower body freedom.

(From an Aussie POV) Just like you told us, if you saw a digger landing on the beach of Gallipoli and a modern day staff officer in dress uniform, you would recognise it as the same uniform.

I think during WWII uniforms became more practical in that they were generally chosen (or modified) to suit the conditions that the soldiers were operating in or the task that they were performing. WWII changed warfare a lot, and traditions usually came out second best)



Now this is a general question (I don't know the answer). Before someone told us that the country name was only used by the dominion forces when they went over seas. What did the RAF servicemen wear on their shoulders when they went to Russia?

Cheers

Cheers, thanks for the information. I couldn't for the life of me imagine myself crawling on the ground with a G3 in hand, standing guard for 5-8 hours per day (too hot for the Greek summer and too cold for the humid winters we have) or doing maintenance on the Rheinmetall twins we used with that uniform and polished shoes in place of the camo fatigues and standard boots, but then again i was a conscript serving on a ground posting.

On the other hand, i guess that the blue battledress was initially used by flight crew before becoming widespread in other specialists and that makes more sense. There's not too much crawling on the ground inside an airplane and from a couple period films i've seen, it seems that they used to wear the shipskin overalls and boots over whatever other uniform they were using to deal with the cold anyway, so the battledress was somewhat suitable as an inner layer because it wraps around the body and is not loose like the fatigues. Makes more sense that way

The similarity is astonishing though, even the buckle on the belt of the jacket is identical and i think the side hats are almost exact copies as well.

[luthier]

Thanks guys for all the corrections, we'll get on right away!

One more question. What's up with these caltrop things on the bridge? Pre-war photos show them on, and a lot of wartime photos have them missing. It looks like they were still there during the Battle, is that correct?

Should we have them on or off?

[dAMOCLES]

Good grief, you're not supposed to take our nit picking seriously, we're just filling in time and being a pain.

[dAMOCLES]

The missing parts, look like typical Gothic finials, probably made from stone, and probably removed because they proved unsafe with the vibration from the traffic or draw bridge. I suspect one fell off, and the remainder were then removed for safety subsequently being replaced during restoration after being strengthened or redesigned.

[dAMOCLES]

British Pathe is always a good source of Information films during this period.

Here's a nice one entitled "Knights of the air"

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=74753

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Originally Posted by luthier

Thanks guys for all the corrections, we'll get on right away!

One more question. What's up with these caltrop things on the bridge? Pre-war photos show them on, and a lot of wartime photos have them missing. It looks like they were still there during the Battle, is that correct?

Should we have them on or off?

Seeing the pictures posted by Zorin, i would leave them off. Even if in one of those pictures they are there.
Also, its the breadth of the road correct? By the pictures of Zorin, it seems there is enough space to put 4 cars side by side, and by image of the model, it looks there is enough space just for two, maybe three. Still, i might be getting a wrong impression.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Zorin

The first film is dated prior to 1920 judging by the cars and film technique. The second does show the coat of arms, but as the pictures I provided showed that they were not present from 1939-1946 it shouldn't be there in BoB. Additionally, it doesn't look like the 1C one. It is as dark as can be seen in the photographs.

Well something was there perhaps check your timeline crest is on in early WW2



London, September 7 , 1940



HMS Corunna, Tower Bridge, 1955 / 56.



1968 still no crest



It don't match your dtaes

[DuxCorvan]

Well, at least from the second movie we know how ominous sounded Handel's Concerto Op.6 nº12 at A440 Hz pitch and in a degraded soundtrack. Thank God for A415/422 authentic pitches.

As for the bridge, well, it looks like the "gothic" thingies and the coats were there at the start of war, but not some time after. Can we have two models, one for BoB and another for later V1-V2 London scenarios? Looks a bit too nitpicky for me, but if it can be done -at least for mission builders...

No doubt, the bridge was overall darker then.