Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[JG52Uther]

Nothing else to do today? Just waste your time in this thread for a while.

[Billfish]

Sadly, except for FM hacks, most are impossible for anyone to post as ONLY the user sees them......Examples:

Mirrors in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Lead compensating sights in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Altered reticles be it shape, or intensity (brightness)....
Altered smoke and vapors seen to make them show better and last longer.....
Altered visual enhancements (aircraft or objects showing better then the sim provides)....
Default skins altered to allow easier recognition....
Field of view in cockpit improved in planes as supplied in the sim, either by transparent pieces, removed or altered pieces, or degree of view movement within.....
Sounds granting better audible cues then supplied in the sim....

and the list goes on......

None of these things which make that individuals play significantly easier then the stock product players can be seen or heard by the other players only the one using them. Therefor they are impossible to prove via a track. However, if someone has any of these hacks installed, then clearly they are cheating as they have gained an advantage over other players by altering the stock product.....

How do you know has them, well you don't, you can guess and we can make some very accurate assumptions yet that would be unfair to do.....The only fair course of action is to state "anyone using a hacked product has the clear and easy potential for cheating with the ability to remain undetected"....

FM/DM/Weapons cheats poorly executed will be easy to spot (a 750km/h I-16).....However, well executed FM/DM/Weapons cheats will be impossible to spot be they slight extra speed, requiring more hits for severe damage, or weapons delivering slightly greater damage, whatever.

So except for rediculously blatant and intended to be seen cheats, most will be impossible for any to document except the user themselves........Hence the ease with which the following smug phrase is made "Prove it"......and everyone knows cheaters are not honest as they'd not be cheating if they wern't.

K2

[JG52Uther]

As I said LEB,we have another post for comments.This is just for the proof that people say they have.Lets keep it all in one place so Oleg can see it if he needs to.

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

As I said LEB,we have another post for comments.This is just for the proof that people say they have.Lets keep it all in one place so Oleg can see it if he needs to.

I understand your intent, yet what I'm telling you is that 99% of the cheating is impossible to detect.....and that an important point to this as this thread blank would be something the cheaters would point to and state...."No Tracky, no cheatty "see?"....tee hee".

[JG52Uther]

Well people said they have proof. So obviously they can prove it.Its a serious matter.All i am asking for is some 'proof of cheating using the hack' tracks.

[fly_zo]

well you don't need proof for witch-hunt do you?

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Sadly, except for FM hacks, most are impossible for anyone to post as ONLY the user sees them......Examples:

Mirrors in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Lead compensating sights in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Altered reticles be it shape, or intensity (brightness)....
Altered smoke and vapors seen to make them show better and last longer.....
Altered visual enhancements (aircraft or objects showing better then the sim provides)....
Default skins altered to allow easier recognition....
Field of view in cockpit improved in planes as supplied in the sim, either by transparent pieces, removed or altered pieces, or degree of view movement within.....
Sounds granting better audible cues then supplied in the sim....

and the list goes on......

None of these things which make that individuals play significantly easier then the stock product players can be seen or heard by the other players only the one using them. Therefor they are impossible to prove via a track. However, if someone has any of these hacks installed, then clearly they are cheating as they have gained an advantage over other players by altering the stock product.....

How do you know has them, well you don't, you can guess and we can make some very accurate assumptions yet that would be unfair to do.....The only fair course of action is to state "anyone using a hacked product has the clear and easy potential for cheating with the ability to remain undetected"....

FM/DM/Weapons cheats poorly executed will be easy to spot (a 750km/h I-16).....However, well executed FM/DM/Weapons cheats will be impossible to spot be they slight extra speed, requiring more hits for severe damage, or weapons delivering slightly greater damage, whatever.

So except for rediculously blatant and intended to be seen cheats, most will be impossible for any to document except the user themselves........Hence the ease with which the following smug phrase is made "Prove it"......and everyone knows cheaters are not honest as they'd not be cheating if they wern't.

K2

I have to agree with this as all those things mentioned give an unfair advantage when used on servers that want only the stock IL2 in use. No one can show proof of these other than the user. You guys can't possibly disagree that those things don't give an unfair advantage when used online in that fashion can you?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Sadly, except for FM hacks, most are impossible for anyone to post as ONLY the user sees them......Examples:

Mirrors in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Lead compensating sights in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Altered reticles be it shape, or intensity (brightness)....
Altered smoke and vapors seen to make them show better and last longer.....
Altered visual enhancements (aircraft or objects showing better then the sim provides)....
Default skins altered to allow easier recognition....
Field of view in cockpit improved in planes as supplied in the sim, either by transparent pieces, removed or altered pieces, or degree of view movement within.....
Sounds granting better audible cues then supplied in the sim....

and the list goes on......

None of these things which make that individuals play significantly easier then the stock product players can be seen or heard by the other players only the one using them. Therefor they are impossible to prove via a track. However, if someone has any of these hacks installed, then clearly they are cheating as they have gained an advantage over other players by altering the stock product.....

How do you know has them, well you don't, you can guess and we can make some very accurate assumptions yet that would be unfair to do.....The only fair course of action is to state "anyone using a hacked product has the clear and easy potential for cheating with the ability to remain undetected"....

FM/DM/Weapons cheats poorly executed will be easy to spot (a 750km/h I-16).....However, well executed FM/DM/Weapons cheats will be impossible to spot be they slight extra speed, requiring more hits for severe damage, or weapons delivering slightly greater damage, whatever.

So except for rediculously blatant and intended to be seen cheats, most will be impossible for any to document except the user themselves........Hence the ease with which the following smug phrase is made "Prove it"......and everyone knows cheaters are not honest as they'd not be cheating if they wern't.

K2

exactly, that is the main issue ! the problem with hacks is that it is mostly aimed at cheating online and gaining an advantage by removing cockpits, adding mirrors, increasing speed and weapons etc etc..

i am not surprised the pro-hack kids cant even understand that. with the irrational talk in the other thread that is dangled as "making an argument", they are now asking to prove a negative, saying because no reformed hacker in 2 days post a "no cockpit view" used on a full real server, it isnt being used ? duh !! i think my 6 yo can see the flaw in that.

there have been plenty of reports in the last few months of very odd online behavior and this has been observed by reliable and long term il2 users, some will even have tracks, but will will any of them right now be here reading this thread ?

do a search on google for yourself and see some of the recent il2 youtube video's posted of hack kiddies playing with the files.

i have a better suggestion, why dont you hack kiddies prove there is no cheating online, and that by simply using the improved sound files there has been no change whatsoever in any of the planes flight models ?

[RaVe]

UTHER
You must be new to this sim.
If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?
You are part of the problem thank you for contributing to the demise of this sim.

[stalkervision]

zapatista
Member " see some of the recent il2 youtube video's posted of hack kiddies playing with the files."

I have seen those very very few videos and sorry but they don't prove your point...