The real IL2 focus group (Everyone come in here)

[juz1]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

I suppose, there are now a lot of flight sims on a market, and everyone of othem (except ours), has red-outs?

I've never called the game anyhow, except IL-2 Sturmovik:Birds of Prey.
We are making it, you are voting for it - with your money, and your (possible) loyalty. If it is so important for you - OK, do not even try demo. Or, buy the game, and vote for blackouts in this (and others) polls - than we'll make it in sequel.

But my guess is that this feature is not what make flight sim game a real simulation. Flight sim - by definition - is the simulation of the flight, of the plane dynamics - not of the pilot's body reaction to it. Should 'real' flightsim simulate vomit on a spins as well?

The point being vomit, unless it really flies up and covers your googles, wouldn't hinder flying...black/red outs and the ensuing slight loss of stick control would interfer with extreme maneouvres and consequently handling...but there are times a combat pilot would risk it in extremis. It would add to gameplay...
Just sayin...
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Gm foods

[Yossarian]

It's not a deal breaker for me. I am going to buy the game, I would have liked to see blackouts in, but after what Anton said about publisher pressure to not include a sim mode at all I will count myself lucky to have this game with any kind of sim mode, it is more about the flight model than anything else for me.

There some strange choices for sim campaign mode, unlimited ammo, fuel and no blackouts but it's not a deal breaker compared to what other flying games there are for consoles.

Also from reading Anton's comments it looks as if people with different difficulty settings can play in the same server, so us blacking out would give us a serious disadvantage online.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by Yossarian

There some strange choices for sim campaign mode, unlimited ammo, fuel and no blackouts but it's not a deal breaker compared to what other flying games there are for consoles.

1. In single missions, you can customize it yourself and play with limited resources if you want to.
In campaign, that would require us to make two different campaigns - one with limited resources, the other with unlimited. Two is not only twice more work, but actually confusing player - is he finished Campaign, if he had finished it in Arcade mode? Or he will have other missions in Simuation? Who's cooler - the one who finished on Arcade, Realistic and Simulation or the one who finished only once, but with limited ammo? Etc, etc. Keep it simple: Single missions - are hardcore enough, and can be played with limnited resources. Campaign - is more fun, less realistic and can't be played on limited ammo.
2. Blackouts/redouts are not technical characteristics of the plane. It is something related to pilot body, and can't be 'simulated' accurately. Moreover, red/black-outs (blood going to/out brain) is not just something red/black in the eyes. It is physical condition of the pilot. It affects his ability to react, to make decisions. It is something that can't be simulated on a TV screen.
What game can do, is only indicate that, probably in a real life, trained pilot would have red/black-out. (Most of gamers are not in such good shape and so well trained as real pilots were, and would suffer from redouts on smaller forces.) But in any case, your actions and reaction speed won't be really affected by redout.
The same goes to vomite in a spin.

[Raw Kryptonite]

Don't let them get to you Anton.
You've seen on the forum here that there's always something being complained about, and it's always "the end of the world" if things don't go a certain way.

I remember a couple of pilots on Dogfights episodes saying they pulled 9 g's and didn't even notice in the heat of the fight. That's pretty much at the point the plane breaks up.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by juz1

It would add to gameplay...
Just sayin...

I understand the reasons.
Once again, we made this feature. We've just decided to cross it out off the game, for certain reasons.

[Riceball]

I'm sure most would agree that the reasons they are not included are good.

I did vote yes, but it's not a big deal to me, personally. As a console gamer, who's never had a gaming PC, I'm just happy to have the chance to play a game of this caliber in the genre that I love.

[guiltyspark]

maybe anton it would be possible to add it as an extra option when making a multiplayer match?

Surely this would not hinder down users experiances with the game who are not ready for it.

but as you can see alot of people want to see it.

I know the game is not gold , and i know this is a fairly simple feature to add

So why not just add it as an extra option for multiplayer only?

[Saturat]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

I know the game is not gold , and i know this is a fairly simple feature to add

So why not just add it as an extra option for multiplayer only?

Please man, you know nothing. The games go gold about one month bf release. If they add anything now they have to change the user interface, redesign the manual and maybe do the testing again. Adding anything to the code can cause bugs.
Anton gave some good reasons, like it or not you'll have to accept it so just stop it
(and dont make me sound like your mom again)

btw, go re-read his comment on page one, he added a bunch. sim mode almost slipped!

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by Saturat

Please man, you know nothing. The games go gold about one month bf release. If they add anything now they have to change the user interface, redesign the manual and maybe do the testing again. Adding anything to the code can cause bugs.
Anton gave some good reasons, like it or not you'll have to accept it so just stop it
(and dont make me sound like your mom again)

um , no

a game goes gold a week or two before shipping to retail

And he gave no other reasons to get rid of it then some confused noobs they hired to play the game who for specific reasons could not have been fans of IL2 or they would throw off the focus testing.

[Saturat]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

um , no

a game goes gold a week or two before shipping to retail

And he gave no other reasons to get rid of it then some confused noobs they hired to play the game who for specific reasons could not have been fans of IL2 or they would throw off the focus testing.

http://xbox.joystiq.com/2007/08/29/i...has-gone-gold/
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55239
check the dates
also

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

"...And adding too much choises for MP isn't also good enough - imagine 16 different sessions with different settings and only 2-3 people in each...."