How about giving a Tiger it's stripes?

[Evilsausage]

Brandbll you are misstaken.
You do realize that that this game tries to focus on realism and make all tanks as close to what the were in real life.
Tigers are fine. Just don't suicide attack with em. Make sure you keep good range and your front armor facing the enemy.

Had a tiger that killed 12 tanks in multiplayer. And human opponants are normaly better then the computer.

[fugufish]

I agree with the OP. After many frustrating online games I have had Tigers knocked out by frontal shots from Russian 85mm guns and even the T34/57 at close range. I have also had my 88mm shots bounce off of KV-1s /T34 76/85 tanks at <100m. I don't want uber, knowing the small scale (perhaps 1/10th of actual) of the game, but the allies should shudder a little when a Tiger appears in front of them. The Tiger's 88 was able to take out enemies at 2000m!

The Tiger also had superior optics to its counterparts, that should be reflected with increased accuracy.

[Tomalak]

Originally Posted by fugufish

I agree with the OP. After many frustrating online games I have had Tigers knocked out by frontal shots from Russian 85mm guns and even the T34/57 at close range. I have also had my 88mm shots bounce off of KV-1s /T34 76/85 tanks at <100m. I don't want uber, knowing the small scale (perhaps 1/10th of actual) of the game, but the allies should shudder a little when a Tiger appears in front of them. The Tiger's 88 was able to take out enemies at 2000m!

The Tiger also had superior optics to its counterparts, that should be reflected with increased accuracy.

I'm sure someone will be able to mod in a better Tiger, people can always choose whether to use them or not. I, however, cannot resist a good tank discussion.

There is nothing wrong with 85mm guns being able to pierce a 100mm armor at medium range. If Tiger's 88mm gun (essentially the same as 88mm Flak gun, with required modifications) can penetrate 100mm armor at 1km, why wouldn't a similar (meaning length and muzzle velocity) 85mm gun be able to do so at shorter ranges?

As a side note, Panther's 75mm KwK42 L/70 gun actually has better armor penetration (except at extreme ranges) then a Tiger, due to a higher muzzle velocity. So, shell caliber isn't everything.

About the T34/57 I'm surprised to even see it in the game. As dedicated tank hunters, only a small number were ever produced, and most took part in the battle for Moscow. A few were in operation in late 1943, but were destroyed before any documented larger scale encounter with German heavy tanks happened. One thing that would work for them is a reported high muzzle velocity (around 1000m/s with special ammo) which should allow them to endanger even a Tiger from a short distance. For comparison, a 50mm L/60 gun of a Panzer III ("J" version and later), firing an advanced pzgr40 shot, with muzzle velocity of 1,180m/s, was able to penetrate 130mm armor at 100m.

And of course, we have to consider game balance reasons. If a Tiger is invincible to a 85mm gun at mid range, then what should be able to destroy it? Not to mention that an even more powerful King Tiger would then be able to take on entire tank armies by itself. The biggest problem here is that many major factors in tank warfare, like speed, visibility, movement range, realistic combat distances, technical equipment (like radios) simply cannot be represented in a game of this scale.

[LocoJay-LoED]

Originally Posted by Tomalak

And of course, we have to consider game balance reasons. If a Tiger is invincible to a 85mm gun at mid range, then what should be able to destroy it? Not to mention that an even more powerful King Tiger would then be able to take on entire tank armies by itself. The biggest problem here is that many major factors in tank warfare, like speed, visibility, movement range, realistic combat distances, technical equipment (like radios) simply cannot be represented in a game of this scale.

It could be done but would take more personel then the devs have or so much time by the time they were done the software and hardware they made the game for wouldn't even be around for anyone to use.

What I am saying is simple math

the US air trafic control system was built to maintain the planes in the sky.. It took 2 years with 500scientist to build the system. Today the system is old and their are no companies making the hardware to fix any equipment failures. It would take 40,000 scientiest today 2 years to rewrite the program for todays computers... the reason it needs to be rewritten is because the CPUs and hardware Motherboards and such of the time the system was built use an entirely different computing language then PCs today. example DOS programs do not work in windows. you need an emulater like DOSbox to run under windows. which takes ALOT of proccessing power to just change the language to something windows can understand..

So it can be done just not on a game budget.. So unless you wanna pay about 3 times the cost of windows vista today (the cost would vary based on how many purchase the game and demand for it... Microsoft mainly works on making bill gates rich) then you won't see a trully realistic game you speak of.. maybe 50-100 years from now those figures will be easier to place in game cause the human brain will devolope by natural means or gynetics to proccess more information at once to need less scientists...

or we may be able to create a comupter that thinks for itself.. and it can proccess all the information for us... but that's not any time soon

The game is as realisit as it gets for todays or the day they started making the game...

[brandbll]

Originally Posted by fugufish

I agree with the OP. After many frustrating online games I have had Tigers knocked out by frontal shots from Russian 85mm guns and even the T34/57 at close range. I have also had my 88mm shots bounce off of KV-1s /T34 76/85 tanks at <100m. I don't want uber, knowing the small scale (perhaps 1/10th of actual) of the game, but the allies should shudder a little when a Tiger appears in front of them. The Tiger's 88 was able to take out enemies at 2000m!

The Tiger also had superior optics to its counterparts, that should be reflected with increased accuracy.

I'm not even talking about other tanks with guns in the 80's caliber. I'm talking 56 caliber tanks giving me one shot, to a dug-in Tiger from a decent distance and blowing me up. Not even just damaging my turret, but blowing the whole thing up. That's ridiculous! I had one time where i took out an allied tank and then rotated my Tiger so the front faced the next tank i was going to take out while i reloaded, and BOOM, i got blown up again from a reasonable distance. We're talking about shells below 80 mm.

[brandbll]

Originally Posted by Evilsausage

Brandbll you are misstaken.
You do realize that that this game tries to focus on realism and make all tanks as close to what the were in real life.
Tigers are fine. Just don't suicide attack with em. Make sure you keep good range and your front armor facing the enemy.

Had a tiger that killed 12 tanks in multiplayer. And human opponants are normaly better then the computer.

I'm sorry, but in the one board of experience i've had with the Tiger in this game, their lethality was not reflected a bit. All three Tigers i had were put in effective positions and ended up getting destroyed very easily. They are most definetely not worth the extra 20 points you have topay for them. The thing is, they should be an extra 20 points, but they should reflect that 20 points in their strength and i did not see that.

[brandbll]

BTW, are there any King Tiger's in the game?

[Morgoth]

Originally Posted by brandbll

I'm sorry, but in the one board of experience i've had with the Tiger in this game, their lethality was not reflected a bit. All three Tigers i had were put in effective positions and ended up getting destroyed very easily. They are most definetely not worth the extra 20 points you have topay for them. The thing is, they should be an extra 20 points, but they should reflect that 20 points in their strength and i did not see that.

My problem with this game realism wise is the over the top strenghthening of the USA forces,ive found that the Tiger does preaty well against the USSR tanks & British forces,as you would expect,but i played a multiplayer game vs the USA,& they took out ,Tigers,King Tigers,Jagdtigers,& Elephants with apparent ease,which is just crazy as if you look at the real war in the west German armour killed 3 to 4 allied armour peices for every one of there own,& then most of the german armour taken out was due to air attack or artillary not allied tanks or SPG's so its stupid that they have done this.

Also ive noted some people have been using this method of taking out big tanks by rushing jeeps at tanks,is it possible to throw nades or anti tank explosives while in a jeep i wonder,cos that's what seemed to be happening.

[KiloAlpha4]

My problem with this game realism wise is the over the top strenghthening of the USA forces

I agree 100% the u.s. tanks etc, are far too strong vs historical proof..



According to actual u.s. sherman tanker's combat accounts in ww2, they would send 5 sherman's against a tiger, hoping to outflank it and shoot it in the rear...usually losing 3 to 4 sherman's in the process which is why it was so feared...the game's sherman's are too well armored against german heavy tanks in the game and U.S. sherman guns especially the low velocity 75 mm which from their own eye witness accounts were useless against the heavier german tanks . There is a reason the german's called them tommy cookers. Never mind the fact the ammunition store would explode if a HE shell even went off near to the rear of the tank let alone a direct hit ( before using wet storage system and external welded armour patch upgrades. Still with all this, the sherman never was a match for a tiger etc, then came the tiger II. You can't say the game is realistic but at the same time helps to stop little kids from crying about tiger's being actually realistic by making sherman's equal , it's a huge contradiction, and it's not just the tiger. In the end the game is not a realism based game it's a arcade based game.....


watch this for a little info:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBp4eWqXfno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3ocp...eature=related

[Rainmaker]

They are puting this beast Tiger I down to Sherman level which is a shame, too bad. I was very dissapointed when I saw it in MoW but in Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2 its realistic!