Been a while....

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

What weapon and FM mods? I'm sure they're out there but I've never seen them and never seen them used online.

You would have to take your head out of the sand to know that... and if one keeps one's head in the sand...

Originally Posted by Rama

In the only modding "community" YOU know... but there are many modding communities, and very actives, some of them offering "mods" for weapons and FM.
.... each of these communities generally pretending they follow the "right way", with the best possible documentation, ect... and also explaining ont their own forums that the other communities are just amateurs....
Just as in any usual modding mess...
IL2 online is almost dead... not because of cheating... but because almost nobody plays the same game.

Well I am glad that those folks dont come into any of the coops I fly in... I have yet to see anything that could not be attributed to lag or pilot error/skill. I know there are other modding comunities and I know there are people out there who have no qualms about cheating... but I have yet to come across many if any...

[LEXX]

SaQSoN::

Oh, and "more advanced than some game content you (or others) made when working for Oleg" are, probably, those "Frankendick" planes, slapped together from other (stock) plane's parts, eh?

Things other than aircraft. Maps for example, visual effects, more functional Full Mission Builder. Now, there are new aircraft in work -- I think P-61 for example. Anyways, as I don't do 3D modelling myself, I often use frankenplane methods in the StrikeFighters.

SaQSoN::

That's really funny. All the mods for IL-2, the public had access so far, are unfinished, bug-ridden, poorly done and unbalanced in many senses. Lame, to be short, which I pointed in the first post.

What is funny is the people making and enjoying these "inferior" mods are paying your salary through Oleg, and we notice you are not being specfic here (ie...you use amatuer gamer snot behavior). A few weeks ago, a Ussia.gov senator was caught saying that the tourists (Ussian voters) stink during the summer. Maybe the Senate could use a new senatorial team.

If you wish to talk in a professional manner here with Oleg's customers, we may talk. If you can only offer little computer gamer snot insults, find another job, please!

[LEXX]

Urofo (to RAMA)::

I don't know where you fly but there's 800-1000+ on hyperlobby every night, the same as there was before the mods, so the whole "online is dead" bullcrap doesn't hold water. It didn't hold water when the mods first came out and it sure as hell doesn't now that they've been out for over a year.

Online may be dying with respect to no-mod playing. There isn't anybody left in the sim, except maybe the one-man Copperhead Squad. Words out that even Billfish went mod. Is that true? What did that droid try to tell Cleo in Cleopatra2525....mmm...once you go droid, you never go back. That line didn't work though, at least not in the cleopisode (Mind Games).


Urufo (to SaQSoN)::

Where are you getting your mods, close that site and never return....

hehe

[LEXX]

Senator Backtracks on Smelly Capitol Tourists Remark....with dramatic re-enactment of Senator Reid greeting visitors...

~> http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...ts-Remark.html

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by LEXX

A few weeks ago, a Ussia.gov senator was caught saying that the tourists (Ussian voters) stink during the summer.

If you stink - you stink. It's a fact and it's stupid to deny it. And, it's a duty of your co-citizen to remind you about basic hygiene. So, I am with the senator on this. Wash yourself often, America!

Originally Posted by LEXX

Things other than aircraft. Maps for example,

Oh, yeah, those with water on slopes and not on 0 height, with lame texture tiling and port cranes standing on each other... Yeah, great things.

Originally Posted by LEXX

visual effects,

Cotton-like smoke? Nice, nice.

Originally Posted by LEXX

Now, there are new aircraft in work -- I think P-61 for example.

They were in work for years. If people weren't able to make them to the quality standard with the help from MG, how will they'll be able to do it now? Another lame models? No, thanks, seen them enough.

Originally Posted by LEXX

What is funny is the people making and enjoying these "inferior" mods are paying your salary through Oleg,

They don't, actually.

Originally Posted by LEXX

If you wish to talk in a professional manner here with Oleg's customers, we may talk. If you can only offer little computer gamer snot insults, find another job, please!

If someone says straight, that your work is lame and you should enhance your skills and your aesthetic perception (if I may say so) and you take this as an insult - then it is as stupid and lame, as become angry, when someone says "you're stink, go wash yourself", particularly, when you actually do stink.

[Wolf_Rider]

Looks like the anti mod "bullies" got pushed out and the "pro mods" bullies moved in... sorry gents, that's the way it reads

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Looks like the anti mod "bullies" got pushed out and the "pro mods" bullies moved in... sorry gents, that's the way it reads

A lot of them are the same people
Thats right,most of the real 'anti hackers' now use the mods.
Anyway,I leave you all to your delusions,and my surprise that these threads are even allowed to run on the official forum.

[Wolf_Rider]

I stand corrected

Looks like the anti mod "bullies" rolled over and have become "pro mod" bullies

[Rama]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Well I am glad that those folks dont come into any of the coops I fly in...

For coop, you don't have much to fear...
Most of these communities are also flying in inside their communities (one squad or a small group of squads), playing their own coops or their own online campaigns.
The online community is split between many communities, each with their own mod packs (and since mods in different packs use the same java classes with different modifications, these packs are not compatable together)

Someone like me who don't belong to any of theses communities, can't play in games hosted by members of these communities... except if accepting multiple installs of multiples modded games.
If this someone is like me and don't want to fly any mod.... then he's restricted in HL (for flying coops) to fly Airforce War (which attendance has dramatically reduced since 1 year... even if HL global attendance, mostly in dog sessions, hasn't reduced that much).
The time everybody could enter a coop proposed on HL is over.

It isn't a big issue. ROF will be available sometimes in 2009, and SoW:BoB probably end of 2009/begining 2010.... and IL2 will then be restricted to some peoples only interested in modding (like for CFS3 for example), but all non-modder players will switch to the new sims.
... and the IL2 online agony will get an end...

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

SaQSoN, as someone contracted by Oleg you should really refrain from slandering Olegs customer, it's unprofessional.