Seeking input on an exclusively Undead army

[Quikpik]

I've been keeping track of all the different vendors in my games. Thus far, between Darion, Kordar, and Isles, there are a total of 8 places where you can buy undead creatures. None of them had any vampires or necros for sale, just your basic units. So I would say getting an undead only army would be tough. Too bad though because the undead in HOMM were brutal.

[player1]

Well, it depends from game to game, since recruit roster is random in every game.

Best strategy is to plan what to use based on what is available in your current game, instead of planning before you ever start playing.

[Quikpik]

Originally Posted by player1

Well, it depends from game to game, since recruit roster is random in every game.

Best strategy is to plan what to use based on what is available in your current game, instead of planning before you ever start playing.

The undead recruiting is not that random. Sure you may get Cursed Ghosts from one vendor rather than regular Ghosts. But the point I was trying to make is that they just aren't very many places to buy undead troops. If I were to start a third game, I was thinking about going all undead just to be different. But looking at the available troop vendors, I don't think it will be possible.

[devmoon]

i dont really see why they choose to make undead units so sparse yet still they have skills that work exclusively for undead only

I really want to make a paladin controlling only undeads but after reading that the undead are hard to come by i might not be possible.

If you really wanted maybe it can be possible on hard or so. ghosts and cursed ghosts are really good because they only increase but im having big troubles with the increasing amounts since i must kill them off myself (any solutions to this one?) so does vampires but they are rare as hell : /

Any more input on undead army?

BTW Great game

[Jamers]

Devmoon: I'm not sure how much this will help due to the randomness of the game, but if you can find the spell Sacrifice, then the ghost problem will be solved and will become a boon; you can use Sacrifice to destroy your own units and give a number of units to another troop based on hit points (obviously the the spell level, the higher the damage done and percentage raised). This doesn't work like Resurrection in that you can raise units with Sacrifice beyond the number that you started a battle with.
I just discovered the usefullness of this spell at the end of the game (I use it with Hypnotize where I can find low level units), and I find it very handy in that while there is nowhere around to hire Knights, I can Hypnotize a stack for 500 or 600 spiders, Sacrifice them and then spawn mre Knights without having to trek back to a castle.
Good deal. Hope this helps.

[devmoon]

its just that sacrifice seems by reading this forum abit OP and i really dont want to relay on that, but if i want an army mainly made up of undeads there might be no other choice : /

Sacrifice is abusing the games mechanics.

Iknow the game intended you to switch units but hey there are alot of undeads, and they even made some spells only for the undeads so why make them so weak and few in numbers?

there must be some kind of workaround to getting the undead skille to use and have an undead army.

I was thinking high lvl plague for example.

[Jamers]

I disagree that it abuses the game mechanics. I mean, you're permanently losing units, so why not permanently gain other units, with penalties in lowered percentages of raised HP plus the cost of mana and a turn in combat (spell use)?

I feel like since the Mage has lower Leadership and combat attributes, it makes sense that he would rely on clever use of magic to maintain an effective army.

[Namel]

Originally Posted by devmoon

If you really wanted maybe it can be possible on hard or so. ghosts and cursed ghosts are really good because they only increase but im having big troubles with the increasing amounts since i must kill them off myself (any solutions to this one?)

There is few ways to handle ghosts multiplying too fast..
-Reserve skills. Keep only about 80% of max leadership of ghosts. And put extras in reserve. Of course if you lose control in battle this won't help.
-Healing. Cast heal on ghost stack if you lose control. It will kill some.
-Sacrifice. Use ssacrife spell on ghosts to make other units.

[megajon]

Do you loose controll of a unit mid combat if their numbers are too big? Or does this only happen when you start the combat with too big of numbers?


If it is the latter, you could always just garrison the excess post combat.

[Quikpik]

Originally Posted by megajon

Do you loose controll of a unit mid combat if their numbers are too big? Or does this only happen when you start the combat with too big of numbers?


If it is the latter, you could always just garrison the excess post combat.

Could be both. If some friendly units join you that take you over the leadership cap, then you go into a battle those units will be out of control at the onset.