Soviet fighters and 4.12

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by zipper

Bubble canopies typically hurt directional stability a bit because of the turbulence

Don't you mean torque? As I understood it if you've got the prop spinning one way, the rest of the airplane wants to go the other way and the height of the fuselage and the tailplane helps counteract that.

I could believe turbulence is a factor, though, since a bubble canopy might create a small vortex just behind the bubble, which might cause buffeting of the elevators and horizontal portions of the tail.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by 1984

gargrot it's only fairing of main constructions, can be low (yak-1b or 3) or high ("yak-1 1941" or "yak-7 1941")

Sorry to be stupid. Let me try again.

Is this a plane with a gargrot?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/yak1/yak1-c6.jpg

Is this a plane without a gargrot?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/yak1/yak1-c2.jpg

Or, does Gargrot have anything to do with the shape of the canopy at all?

Further search makes me wonder if the word doesn't refer to the construction of the cockpit or to an access panel.

Originally Posted by 1984

all time i thought what it's not russian word, french or something like this, but fast search not gives clear answer... maybe, it's frech "grotte" ie cave or cavity ie place after canopy... + something like... "garçon"?...

I can believe that the word is of French origin, since there are lots of borrowed French words in Russian, but I don't think it's related to the word garçon. It might relate to "grotte" - which is French for "cave" (пещера - if Google Translate is right).

[1984]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Sorry to be stupid. Let me try again.

no problem... i think, mainly, it's my convoluted explanations of not specialist and my strange english...

Is this a plane with a gargrot?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/yak1/yak1-c6.jpg

gargrot - it's fairing of main constructions of yak (it's carcass + mount for engine + longerons, if i'm not mistaken), and of canopy of any type too... like flesh it's just fairing of skeleton and skull of man... ie, fairing can be high how here for yak-1 in 1941-1942...

Is this a plane without a gargrot?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/yak1/yak1-c2.jpg

or low, how for yak-1b and similar models with "bubble top"...

Or, does Gargrot have anything to do with the shape of the canopy at all?

gagrot there always, it's for good aerodynamic form and covers entrails of aircraft, but form depends on form of canopy of cabine ie bubble top or not...

Further search makes me wonder if the word doesn't refer to the construction of the cockpit or to an access panel.

gargrot it's and fairing of canopy and of constructions, and panel which covers what in plane, but not panel for access of crew, ie like skin and flesh, and remember, yak have 2 gargrots - upper gagrot, behind cabine and canopy, and lower gargrot, in other places other "things" if i'm not mistaken...

and in fact, for better understanding, just need to find descriptions of type of fuselage, of yak and for example of bf 109...

and find about "monocoque" etc on english...

I can believe that the word is of French origin, since there are lots of borrowed French words in Russian, but I don't think it's related to the word garçon. It might relate to "grotte" - which is French for "cave" (пещера - if Google Translate is right).

yes, пещера - ie for us cabine with canopy of yak, then, "пещера=cave=grotte" in carcass with various filling which covered with "gargrot", which do and aerodynamically normal form too...

garcon it's joke - just first word with "gar"...

[1984]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

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apparently, if whole my theory not mistake, i think what found second word - "haut" ie high ie высокий + on russian often h reading as г (-аргрот) - haut grotte ie after cabine with canopy high fairing of fuselage...

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Really? Try an 1v1 fight against a La-7. There is NOTHING you can do against it.

I could never remember the number of La7s I have shot down with Bf109s in this sim over the last dozen years, at least hundreds. If you added La5s then you are talking about thousands.

On the QMB's Pacific Islands map I have the la7 going 540kmh at sea level and 450 at 5000 meters alt. Testing axis aircraft on the same map with the same prop pitch and radiator settings and altitudes, I have the 190d9 going 530&460, the A8 going 530&460, the 109K4 going 540 and 490, the G10 going 540&470, the g6a/s 540&480.

So a statement like "There is nothing you can do against it" is silly isn't it? All you have to do is follow the simplest of tactics for instance starting the fight with a little more energy and you will be fine.
Not to mention if you spend your time on arcade servers flying around in an La7 you probably are not up against IL2 pilots of the best caliber.

I am sure that those working so hard to develop new patches for IL2 are fully aware that it is not perfect, and I am also sure that they know how to prioritize their activities for what needs fixed. They do a damn good job and IL2 is the best WWII flight sim ever.

So if you come up with new data and information that they might not have then maybe quietly and humbly emailing it to one of the developers would be a good way to go.

[MOH_Hirth]

If any plane have a incorrect parameter, of course must to be fixed, please stop change the discussion if can or not shotdown that plane, just and only if your Flight Model is correct or not, this is important, dont care if Russiam German or Haitian.

For me a good revision on FM worth more than a entire big patch.

[Skv_Serafim]

Do you know that La-5, La-5F and La-5FN had a lot of modifications. For example one of them used metalic longerouns. Every type had different features.
So in official test at in 1943 La-5FN had total advantage on Bf-109G2 at low and middle alt.
You can find this information at serious historical research like this: War in air (Война в воздухе) №69.
http://www.armourbook.com/uploads/po...69_page_01.jpg

[Skv_Serafim]

Soviet La-5 test
http://rusarchives.ru/victory65/pages/13_57_3.htm