@Devs: Stop the Central nerfs - its enough

[Ze-Jamz]

You know my views on the matter.. noticed a drastic change within 5 mins

[David198502]

i still ask for historical performances on both sides!

right now, as a 109pilot i have way more fun to fight allied planes than in the last year...mostly because the spitIIa was banned on the servers....
on rebka4 for example, i began to totally ignore all the RAF planes and only fought other 109s, because it really was boring to fight the far inferior spittis...

anyway, i dont feel, that the 109 is now inferiour to the spits or hurris(except maybe against the hurri at ~6000 meters, but this needs further testing on my side)

but, from now on i feel, that the devs should give the 109s definitely as much love as they did with the RAF planes...109s are still off historical performance....
there are many issues/bugs in the 109s which should have as much importance to fix as the RAF planes have.so yeah i also think that the devs should now look again it the 109s as well, and make them as close to historical performances as possible and as the engine allows.

[pstyle]

To the OP, I don't hear anyone asking for the axis aircraft to be reduced in terms of performance. Yes the advantages of the 109s are comparatively less than previous updates, but as you note it still has advantages.

109 pilots are still getting kills. Blue team numbers online are still pretty good.

I think most wlould agree that we have a relatively competitive situation right now, which is what the OP seems to be asking for.

[SlipBall]

whats wrong

[Anders_And]

Im surprised this thread isnt locked yet... Almost every new thread has been locked or deleted last week. Or merged into invisibilty into other threads.

[Winger]

Originally Posted by pstyle

To the OP, I don't hear anyone asking for the axis aircraft to be reduced in terms of performance. Yes the advantages of the 109s are comparatively less than previous updates, but as you note it still has advantages.

109 pilots are still getting kills. Blue team numbers online are still pretty good.

I think most wlould agree that we have a relatively competitive situation right now, which is what the OP seems to be asking for.

Exactly.

[Storm of When]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Don't worry, the Red guys will soon be here to say "you had it easy for a while, now you deserve to be screwed" when in fact many Blue pilots merely asked for historical performance.

Whats a blue pilot, is that the pilot that joins a server with 20 reds and 40 blues yet still goes blue because he can`t be doing with having to fly the perceived inferior aircraft???. Never understood the logic of a 200 flyable`s game like IL2 and yet they`ll only fly 2 types. God help us when the Russian follow up to CloD is released, they`ll be 50 Fw`s and 109`s on ATAG and me and a few others with some semblence of fairness flying a Lagg....am I wrong???

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Storm of When

Whats a blue pilot, is that the pilot that joins a server with 20 reds and 40 blues yet still goes blue because he can`t be doing with having to fly the perceived inferior aircraft???. Never understood the logic of a 200 flyable`s game like IL2 and yet they`ll only fly 2 types. God help us when the Russian follow up to CloD is released, they`ll be 50 Fw`s and 109`s on ATAG and me and a few others with some semblence of fairness flying a Lagg....am I wrong???

I don't know.

If you always pick the 109E-4 even when it's 20 Red v 40 Blue then that's your choice, I guess.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Storm of When

Whats a blue pilot, is that the pilot that joins a server with 20 reds and 40 blues yet still goes blue because he can`t be doing with having to fly the perceived inferior aircraft???. Never understood the logic of a 200 flyable`s game like IL2 and yet they`ll only fly 2 types. God help us when the Russian follow up to CloD is released, they`ll be 50 Fw`s and 109`s on ATAG and me and a few others with some semblence of fairness flying a Lagg....am I wrong???

You have a right to your opinion, as does the other guy who chooses to focus on mastering one aircraft type. The only "wrong" opinion is the one that belittles another's free choice.

The map on ATAG is huge, with many airfields on both sides to chose from. Forty Blues on one side vs 20 Reds on the other (or vice versa) shouldn't really matter. The action is really spread out. Too many Blues over Hawkinge? Take off from Rochester and intercept the Dorniers at 18 angels east of Calais. Odds are you won't see a single Blue fighter enroute -- although you will if you loiter amongst the AI Dorniers a bit too long.

The ATAG Server is not designed to be "fair". Nor are there any expectations that anyone fight "fair". The only thing expected is that there be no swearing, obscenities, or abuse of another player via chat or Teamspeak, and no deliberate friendly fire/fragging. Got ten 109's strafing Manston? Cool! Organize on Teamspeak to spawn together at Canterbury or Eastchurch and climb to 5 or 6 angels for some fun times at Manston. Maybe keep one or two parked at 12+ angels for the 109's that likewise stay high. Frequently there are more Reds than Blues. There is NO expectation that a player who prefers to fly his Hurricane must switch to a 109 or a Ju88 (or whatever). If he does, great. If he prefers to stick with his Hurri, fine. There is no pressure on one player to compromise his enjoyment of the game to satisfy another player's idea of what's "fair". We've had players complain that they dropped their wheels, but they still got shot down. "Unfair!" Well, we suggested to them if they really want "fair" to go see their mamas.

On ATAG, no swearing or abuse on chat & Teamspeak and no fragging. That's it. Everything else goes.

[lonewulf]

Must agree with Buzzsaw on the 109 performance issue and with ATAG_Snapper regarding pilot conduct on the ATAG server. That said, the 109 damage model is still in need of some urgent fine tuning.